Relationship (if any) between VW/Lamborghini/Bentley/Porsche?

Antoneo

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Sorry, I don't know too much about cars but am interested in clearing up some "facts" have have been spewed out by some of my friends and other forums. What relationship is there between these companies: VW/Lamborghini/Bentley/Porsche?

Some people say Volkswagon/Audi owns Porsche... Uh I thought Porsche and Lamborghini were Italian companies. Isn't Bentley going over to MB or BMW or something like that (last line of Corniche's being produced)?

Thanks guys (and NFS4 since I know he's bound to show up in here :)).
 

NFS4

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VW/Audi owns lambo and bentley I believe.

VW and Porsche collaborated on the Cayenne/Tourredor (or whatever the f*&k it's called;)). Older Porsches used to have a lot of VW components. But VW doesn't own Porsche. And Porsche is German, not Italian.
 

GTaudiophile

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Edit: This page lists every company VW owns.

Porsche is independent. Both Porsche and VW were founded by Ferdinand Porsche (Porsche in 1931 and VW in 1938).

VW will lose ownership of Rolls Royce on January 1, 2003 (ownership will be transferred to BMW).
 

ElFenix

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i think its just trademark rights... the trademark "rolls royce" is owned by the engine maker.

that has got to be the greatest "yoink" ever.

vw and bmw were constantly outbidding each other for rolls and bentley.

then vw wins.

bmw goes home, heartbroken.

then rolls royce the engine maker speaks up, and says VW didn't get the name, since they own it.

yoink!
 

yakko

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Porsche has worked with VW and Audi so much that they should be the same company.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
i think its just trademark rights... the trademark "rolls royce" is owned by the engine maker.

that has got to be the greatest "yoink" ever.

vw and bmw were constantly outbidding each other for rolls and bentley.

then vw wins.

bmw goes home, heartbroken.

then rolls royce the engine maker speaks up, and says VW didn't get the name, since they own it.

yoink!

And BMW gets the right to manufacture cars under RR name, even though VW paid for those. Instead VW gets to keep bentley.
 

AnyMal

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Sounds like it's time for another history lesson from AnyMal: In 1936 Ferdinand Porsche did design what became known as VW Beetle, however, he had nothing to do with establishing and naming VW the company. In fact, VW Beetle wasn't even Porsche's idea in a first place. The concept of a car that is cheap to produce and could be afforded by an average German family was a brainchild of Adolf Hitler. It was Hitler who commissioned Ferdinand Porsche ( a Jew!) and Willie Messerschmidt (the man behind some of the finest Luftwaffe planes) to come up with initial design in 1935. Both designers produced prototypes within one year and after initial trials Porsche's design was accepted as more reliable and inexpensive to produce. Another idea that belonged to Hitler was to have the new factory financed entirely by the proceeds from selling the cars that weren't even built yet. Here is how it worked; a person would buy a stamp sheet with initial payment, then each month they would receive one stamp in exchange for a monthly payment; when the sheet was filled, a person was eligible to receive their car. In one year, enough money was raised to begin construction. Hitler's orders were strict; to have factory up and running by 1938. After the site near Wolfsburgh was chosen, around the clock construction was launched to meet fuerher's deadline. The name "Volkswagen" (people's car) was decided upon and was also credited to Hitler. However, by the time factory opened in late 1938, Germany's priorities shifted dramaticaly; it's entire economy was rapidly re-tooling to support the quickly growing demands of the military. By the time World War II started in 1939 only few thousand VW cars were produced and the factory was ordered to switch to the production of much needed Schwimmwagen and Kubelwagen vehicles.

The actual name Beetle did not come along until after the WWII and was given by the British who resurrected the factory after war, but that's another story.
 

Antoneo

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Thanks for the info guys!

Did Porsche ever use VW engines in their lineup before?
 

geno

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Originally posted by: MistaEng
Thanks for the info guys!

Did Porsche ever use VW engines in their lineup before?

Yes, in the older 914's I believe... aircooled flat 4? My memory is hazy right now :)
 

Zenmervolt

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Did Porsche ever use VW engines in their lineup before?
Yes. With the exception of the Carrera 4-Cam used in late 356 Carreras, the engines in all 356 Porsches borrowed heavily from VW's air-cooled flat-fours. The Porsche 912 used a 911 body and VW's "Type-IV" flat four instead of the 911's flat-six. The 914-4 1.7/1.8 and 2.0 used engines that were based on the VW Type-IV as well. A Porsche has never used a straight VW engine, because they have all the VW-based engines were slightly tweaked for Porsche duty, but the tweaks are slight and the VW derivation is quite clear.

Porsche, VW, and Audi are all still owned by descendants of Ferdinand Porsche. Porsche is owned by direct descendants, VW/Audi is owned by people who married into the Porsche family. Back in the 1970's the three companies did share common owners, hence the "Porsche + Audi" dealerships here in the US. Even until the early/mid 1980's, there was a basic agreement that Porsche was VW's R&D department, though this has since changed. The Porsche 914, 924 and 944 were all originally intended to be high-end VWs instead of low-end Porsches, but VW's management kept changing its mind after things were underway, so Porsche was left with plans and tooling for cars that VW didn't want. Porsche just tweaked the stillborn VW's and sold them as Porsches.

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