So basicly he filled the paper work saying he owned the land when he really owned part of a company that owned the land. That just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
So basicly he filled the paper work saying he owned the land when he really owned part of a company that owned the land. That just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
I bet you all missed the little goodie House Speaker Dennis Hastert set up for himself???
He bought a house, tacked on pork legislation to have funds put forth to build a major road one mile from his NEW house (to increase its value), then in this legislation Hastert wrote and tacked on to a bill, this legislation ALSO tied the hands of local gov there to stop the funding they felt "maybe better spent on other projects".
House Speaker Dennis Hastert. He's in it for.....Dennis Hastert.
He bought a house, tacked on pork legislation to have funds put forth to build a major road one mile from his NEW house (to increase its value), then in this legislation Hastert wrote and tacked on to a bill, this legislation ALSO tied the hands of local gov there to stop the funding they felt "maybe better spent on other projects".
House Speaker Dennis Hastert. He's in it for.....Dennis Hastert.
Politician [insert name here]. He/She is in it for [insert same name here].
Or are you naive enough to believe different?
Lemon law
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This thread is about Reid---and not Foley---or Republican corruption.---or other deflections we can raise to change the subject.
While all the facts are not in---it on the surface looks like a major violation of Senate ethics rules---and may in fact be a violation of various laws. Plus it appears unsavory at best.
But it still pays to wait for all the facts to come in before rushing to judgement.
And if the Senate minority leader is forced to resign or goes to jail over this---its just part of the price of having a corruption free legislative branch.
But the same standards should be applied to all members of congress---and I sure don't want to see only democrats prosecuted when overall,
right now corruption is mostly on the Republican side.
While all the facts are not in---it on the surface looks like a major violation of Senate ethics rules---and may in fact be a violation of various laws. Plus it appears unsavory at best.
But it still pays to wait for all the facts to come in before rushing to judgement.
And if the Senate minority leader is forced to resign or goes to jail over this---its just part of the price of having a corruption free legislative branch.
But the same standards should be applied to all members of congress---and I sure don't want to see only democrats prosecuted when overall,
right now corruption is mostly on the Republican side.
Yep, typical liberal hypocrisy. What's sad is these guys don't even realize they have proven the point time and time again with their responses.
ProfJohn
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Ok this is a right wing blog, but click on the link just for the fun of the picture they posted of Reid standing behind a "Honest Leadership" sign with his hands crossed... people in Hollywood couldn't write this stuff if they tried 
Great pic of Reid and more details on story
Great pic of Reid and more details on story
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Do WE AS AMERICANS ever get tired of giving protection to our politicians while they STEAL MONEY FROM US
I know this is about Reid .. but look at what the Republicans allowed Hastert to do in that Highway spending bill without asking for his resignation or even censoring him etc..
YOU OR I WOULD BE IN PRISON if we tried to get away with the BS these assholes get away with on a daily basis.
I know this is about Reid .. but look at what the Republicans allowed Hastert to do in that Highway spending bill without asking for his resignation or even censoring him etc..
YOU OR I WOULD BE IN PRISON if we tried to get away with the BS these assholes get away with on a daily basis.
ProfJohn
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I agree with Lemon, if he broke ethic rules then he should pay the consequences. Maybe having to resign his seat is to much, but he is certainly not worthy of a leadership position anymore, what kind of example is he setting?
Second unless he has some damn good explanation for all this he should be forced to give the money he made off this to some charity.
BTW: Let's not forget this is the same Reid that got the free boxing tickets, he has a history of playing loose with ethics.
Check out this nice bit from the Washington Post
Second to last paragraph
After reading this I change my mind, Reid must go. Where's the congress of corruption charges against the Democrats?
EDIT: Forgot to say that Reid got more money from Abramoff than Tom Delay did.
That's been well known, but the mainstream media was successful in brainwashing the sheep that Abramoff was purely a Republican scandal and that Democrats were not involved.
Don Vito Corleone
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I absolutely favor prosecution and removal of all congressmen guilty of corruption, regardless of party. Actions like Reid's are, unfortunately, all too common, but that does not excuse them in any way.
This is not strictly true. My understanding is that Reid never took money directly from Abramoff, though he did take money from charities feeding into Abramoff's funnel. This is a slight but significant difference.
My guess, PJ, is that you are much more reticent to see punishment meted out to Republicans for behavior like Reid's, no? What did you think of Tom DeLay's campaign-finance shenanigans and gerrymandering?
This is not strictly true. My understanding is that Reid never took money directly from Abramoff, though he did take money from charities feeding into Abramoff's funnel. This is a slight but significant difference.
My guess, PJ, is that you are much more reticent to see punishment meted out to Republicans for behavior like Reid's, no? What did you think of Tom DeLay's campaign-finance shenanigans and gerrymandering?
dahunan
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What group had all the power while Abrahmoff was dishing out all the cash?
I think we are heartless cowards for even continuing to allow EVEN ONE lobbyist on the hill EVER..
The only way I would allow a lobbyist and a politician to meet is in a town hall style setting - period.
ProfJohn
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Delay did not personally profit from what he did in the campaign funding "scandal" and from what I have read the things he did were legal. There was a law and he found a loop hole and drove a truck full of money through it. However, no one personally profited from it and no kids were left starving or anything like that.
And give up on the gerrymandering argument, both sides do it.
And why arre you trying to change the topic? Don't you bitch at me for bringing up Clinton whenever we talk about Bush? And now you are bringing up Delay when talking about Reid? Nice.
Don Vito Corleone
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DeLay was mentioned in your own post, which I quoted. Maybe you should read before you write, "professor." Thanks, however, for confirming my suspicions.
By the way, in what sense are you a professor?
ProfJohn
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Ahhhh I see...
I was not trying to change the subject from Reid to Delay though, I was pointing out, rightfully so, that Reid got more money from Abramoff related groups than Delay, and we all know that Delay is the source of all evil in the world, well he was until he resigned, now of course Foley is the source of all evil, but that will change soon as the Democrats can find another Republican to lay that title on.
BTW: what is your fascination with the professor thing? I have never claimed some special privilege or knowledge based on that. Like everyone else I post my opinion based on what I read and what I believe. What I do for a living has nothing to do with my opinions on this board. Like you, I am just a person who likes to discus politics and world events rather than watch Desperate Housewives.
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I find it fascinating that you might possibly be a professor. I guess I don't find it believable.
I guess I am also nonplussed by a person who purports to be interested in politics, but by his own admission has never read anything about Donald Rumsfeld. The whole thing just seems bizarre.
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ProfJohn
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Don, do you think it is possible that someone might look at your liberal views and question whether you were really in the military?
I think this forum could use a lot less personal attacks and name calling and a lot more focusing on the issues. Whether I am a professor or you are a lawyer or Harvey designs computer things doesn't really matter. All that should matter is the quality of our ideas and our ability to state them.
As far as Rummy, I have read a little bit, but certainly not a lot. I am far more interested in history and when I do read it is usually history (WW 2). (One reason I like this forum is that it forces me to dig up facts and figures in order to support my beliefs. Of course when I do that people accuse me of working for some GOP member and having a research staff.)
Back on topic, Reid is close to, if not, the worst member of the Senate when it comes to ethics problems. However, I would be surprised if anything really comes of this. Unless we found out he broke a law or something, in which case he should be forced to resign. Let's see which party is more serious when it comes to dealing with scandals. Based on the William Jefferson case I doubt the Democrats will do much of anything about this.
Lemon law
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Another anane comment by Prof John,
"Based on the William Jefferson case, I doubt the democrats will do much of anything about this."
Just an incredably stupid and thoughtless statement on both levels.
On the legal level---its either a violation off the law or not---and Reid can be indicted and prosecuted by the State of Nevada or by a Federal prosecutor---and if convicted could go to jail---with no input possible in this process by democrats.
On the ethics level---we are talking Senate ethics rules---now operating under rules by in large weakened by Republicans---and under those rules Reid must be cesured by the full Senate.---and those rules do not apply to just Democrats or just Republicans. So its somewhat a matter that the Republicans won't do anything for fear many of their own little scandals will be trotted out in the process.---and then Reid would look good by comparison.
And for any wondering where the Prof came from in Prof John---another thread smoked that out---its a self awarded title---claimed to come from the EIB network---which is Rush Limbaugh's network. I doubt Rush sells diplomas but we don't want to give the money grubber any ideas.---but I do note that Prof John's logic---however dubious, is still only slightly better than Rush's. On the partisan level, they are birds of a feather.---able to see only white and black in a world of living color. ---and even then--any impartial observer wonders if their vision of black is anything but selective.
"Based on the William Jefferson case, I doubt the democrats will do much of anything about this."
Just an incredably stupid and thoughtless statement on both levels.
On the legal level---its either a violation off the law or not---and Reid can be indicted and prosecuted by the State of Nevada or by a Federal prosecutor---and if convicted could go to jail---with no input possible in this process by democrats.
On the ethics level---we are talking Senate ethics rules---now operating under rules by in large weakened by Republicans---and under those rules Reid must be cesured by the full Senate.---and those rules do not apply to just Democrats or just Republicans. So its somewhat a matter that the Republicans won't do anything for fear many of their own little scandals will be trotted out in the process.---and then Reid would look good by comparison.
And for any wondering where the Prof came from in Prof John---another thread smoked that out---its a self awarded title---claimed to come from the EIB network---which is Rush Limbaugh's network. I doubt Rush sells diplomas but we don't want to give the money grubber any ideas.---but I do note that Prof John's logic---however dubious, is still only slightly better than Rush's. On the partisan level, they are birds of a feather.---able to see only white and black in a world of living color. ---and even then--any impartial observer wonders if their vision of black is anything but selective.
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