- Jul 3, 2008
I gave a flippant answer earlier, but there's just not much of a point if you feel that the FDA is perfectly justified in persecuting people that think drinking raw milk is a good thing. To me it always comes down to people knowing what they want and be willing to take the informed risk. To you it comes down to the government does what it thinks best whether the citizen wants it or not.
It's just a different philosophy that basically separates those on the left and those on the right.
I know it may be difficult for you to believe, but laws are passed all the time that limit your freedom to do things that may harm yourself and others. It's what government is for, and through votes and referendum, Americans eventually make the correct decision. I know you truly believe this is a "left-right" issue, but over time it simply becomes the American norm. The decision the FDA made to prevent unpasteurized milk from being disseminated in large quantities is very reasonable and does more good (prevents misinformation and injury to potential fetuses) than harm (limiting your freedom to, lol, produce that kind of milk).
This x1000. What First said is incredibly ignorant but typical of liberals who think the gubment is there to protect the people by limiting their rights and/or providing everything for them.
What if you want to put yourself in a position to get a infection that could lead to the infection of others around you and it could spread thru the country?
Do you think that you have the right to do that?
Whatever. I'm just asking. If you think you have the right to do to yourself whatever you want, including the risk of infectious disease, does that right extend to getting a infectious disease you could then spread thru the populace?
I'm pretty sure those 10 coal power plants in Ohio that are slated to be shut down due to new EPA regulations will result in a lost job or two.
Also, correlation does not imply causation. There are so many issues with large social studies involving health and environmental effects. I can, without an ounce of doubt, 100% guarantee you that any study which makes such claims are either being mischaracterized for political purposes or are outright lying.
Then that's directly affecting others, isn't it?
If I want to infect myself with a disease and waste away in the middle of nowhere, it's stupid but that's my right. Infecting others is not my right.
What's so hard to understand?
I have a right to consume what I want, when I want it. The ramifications of that are really irrelevant imo. You can get sick from anything you eat, drink, or breath. You propose we ban everything in the goal of making the world 100% safe from itself?
These people buying milk from a farmer knew what they were buying. It wasnt mislabeled or sold under fradulent terms. So why do you care if they drink unpastuerized milk?
Yeah, the Amish farmer was going to flood the country with evil unpasteurized milk.
I'm sure the potential harm to a potential fetus is why the FDA has banned alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea, cats, hot tubs, some cleaning agents and many over the counter drugs. It would be much too hard to require a warning cap or label on a bottle of raw milk. lol
So does drinking alcohol. You want to ban that as well?
and to pound the point home
Scientists and medical professionals in this country are the best in the world. I feel absolutely confident letting them do their work. If this means there are limits to raw milk or other food stuffs then so be it.
None of us here have the professional expertise (maybe matt does) to say that this regulation is bad. I think its dangerous to play politics with issues like this because of the risks involved.
My biggest problem with conservative think in this area is the total lack of real information they use to base their decisions. The decision is based on ideology and not real science. That is dangerous.
Again another reason why I would never side with the left on anything. Ignorance is rampant with your types. Blind faith in the intelligence of the science community yet no faith in that of your fellow citizen.