Reggie Bush and his family received over 100k in illicit aid from Agents

[waggy]

sad part is the people that should be in trouble for this (bush and the sponsers) are not going to get in any trouble. only ones that are going to suffer are the other kids on the team.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: NeoV
wow, way to stay objective folks.....

"Anyone who thinks a program like USC can rise from the dead so quickly without this type of thing happening is delusional. The fact is that this happens at pretty much any successful school in the country."

That is an IDIOTIC statement. Do you really think agents pour money at every Joe Schmoe with a helmet on? Bush was a surefire top draft pick, a marketing dream - look at all the commercials he's already in - agents wanted a piece of that, period. It's not like they showered all the USC players with cash.

Mpitts, do you live in Ann Arbor or something? 500 dollars vs. 100k - similar? Troy Smith was still at OSU when that incident happened - but he paid the cash back and was suspended for two games, and his suspension may very well have cost OSU at shot at the title last season since he wasn't ready to go 100% of the Texas game last year. How about worrying about Lloyd Carr's decline, and the lack of Michigan to get any good assistant coaches - or the way they treated Pierre Woods costing them a shot at recruiting any players from Glenville HS, which currently has 7 players on OSU's roster? Two words for you, sir - Fab Five.

Whoa.. I asked a simple question.. I was trying to draw a correlation to what happened with Troy Smith, who is receiving a similar (but not quite the same) amount of hype that Bush was getting. Nothing happened to Smith, other than the slap on the wrist he got after the Michigan game.

You know I'm a huge Michigan homer. Christ, look at my sig. I have no issue with what happened with the Fab Five. Michigan paid dearly for that.. They took their punishment and they are still dealing with it.

As for Troy Smith, I found it funny that he wasn't suspended until AFTER the Michigan game and that he missed the bowl game against Oklahoma State and the season opener vs. Miami, OH. And I know he was benched for the start of the Texas game.

Here's two more words: Maurice Clarett

Let's not make this a "my program is better/cleaner/ than yours" thread. I am huge Michigan fan and you are a huge tOSU fan. I respect tOSU. I don't like them, but I respect them. All I ask is the same.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Jawo
The USC coaches HAD to know at least SOMETHING was going on with RB. I suspect that at the very least USC will be made bowl ineligable for this season and possible reduction of scholoships for the next season(s). I doubt they will erase past wins.

RB might have to pay the money back, but he's rich now so who cares. But seeing him stripped of his Heisman might be nice.....

mpitts: Darn right OSU sucks!!!

Well, whether or not the NCAA can (or is willing) to prove that is the question. Florida had a couple of stud players sign with agents and play but Spurrier pleaded ignorance so nothing happened.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Compton
I doubt anything will become of this.

Same. They don't do anything to the past records of anything, they only punish whomever was involved.

Hmm, and since due the enormity of the situation when it becomes public knowledge that USC knew of this, will you then believe that nothing will come of this? $100,000 is A LOT of gifts -- it's almost a flagrant disregard for the BCS institution (the NCAA has no jurisdiction over the BCS I just learned). They aren't going to take too kindly to this impropriety and, in my personal opinion, will punish SEVERLY.

I fervently believe and am willing to bet that 1 championship AND the Heisman will be revoked from USC and Reggie accordingly.

 

[habib89]

i think it's all a moot point now... he should have been kicked out when he was in school.. but now it's too late.. what are you gonna do.. fine him a million dollars? big deal. taking his trophy away doesn't do much, sure the awesomeness of yesteryear is gone, but he can have another one made.. except he'll be on the top of the trophy, instead of that heisman guy, and it'd be made out of solid gold....... encrusted with jewels... set atop a marble pedestal... enshrined in his trophy room in his multi million dollar home..

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Compton
I doubt anything will become of this.

Same. They don't do anything to the past records of anything, they only punish whomever was involved.

Anytime a player plays after receiving a benefit like this he is considered ineligible. The NCAA will then strip the school of all victories in games the player participated in after he started receiving the benefit. If the NCAA thinks the school was trying to cover up the player's ineligibility, they'll punish the school as well with scholarship reductions/probation/etc.

This happened to the Michigan basketball program because of the Fab Five and it happened to the Alabama football program for the '93 season because a player signed on a cocktail napkin with an agent in New Orleans after the 93 Sugar Bowl.

That's not true. The University of Washington had problems like that too a few times in the past 20 years. They either warned or made them bowl ineligible.

You are a PAC-10 fan. You know nothing about football. Leave the discussion of the NCAA to people like Queasy and I. Queasy is a Bama fan that had to watch the NCAA rape his team. He knows all about what the "rules" are, but the question is whether or not the NCAA will go after USC with as much vigor.

 

[Drakkon]

yeah they paid bush that much and paid Young nothing and lienart was paying money to them :roll:

 

[Deeko]

I'm gonna be honest. I really, really don't care. I'm absolutely positive that this happens all the time with top players like Bush. Big f'n deal.

Beat me to it, I smell a Heisman removal here.. looks like the player who really deserved it for last year will actually get it!

bar none, that is the stupidest comment I've ever heard anyone say about anything in my entire life.

 

[kalster]

off trouble mistakes or not, he was a terrific player and that is all that should matter

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: Mill
You are a PAC-10 fan. You know nothing about football. Leave the discussion of the NCAA to people like Queasy and I. Queasy is a Bama fan that had to watch the NCAA rape his team. He knows all about what the "rules" are, but the question is whether or not the NCAA will go after USC with as much vigor.

:laugh:

 

[ballmode]

Corruption at its finest

 

[BlancoNino]

Why would they punish USC for something that Reggie Bush and his family did behind their backs?

BTW, Don James had bought Billy Joe Hobert a car and they didn't strip UW of their national title (which was disgustingly shared with Miami).

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Beat me to it, I smell a Heisman removal here.. looks like the player who really deserved it for last year will actually get it!

bar none, that is the stupidest comment I've ever heard anyone say about anything in my entire life.

That's too bad, considering Vince Young was the best player last year and won the National Championship almost single-handedly. Bush is a great player, but he was on a team with ANOTHER Heisman winner, ANOTHER very talented RB, TWO great Receivers and a versatile Tight End. Your anti-Eagle NFL predictions are a joke if you want to talk about real stupidity.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: kalster
off trouble mistakes or not, he was a terrific player and that is all that should matter

If wasn't an off-the-field incident. He was clearly ineligible, and that makes it an ON THE FIELD issue.

Get ready to remove that sig, buddy. USC should be getting stripped of a title here shortly.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Deeko

Beat me to it, I smell a Heisman removal here.. looks like the player who really deserved it for last year will actually get it!

bar none, that is the stupidest comment I've ever heard anyone say about anything in my entire life.

That's too bad, considering Vince Young was the best player last year and won the National Championship almost single-handedly. Bush is a great player, but he was on a team with ANOTHER Heisman winner, ANOTHER very talented RB, TWO great Receivers and a versatile Tight End. Your anti-Eagle NFL predictions are a joke if you want to talk about real stupidity.

That's funny, I thought we were talking about college football. At any rate, the Eagles blow.

What's important is while yes, Young single handedly won the championship, to say he had nothing on his team is insane, and to say he's a better player than Bush is insane, and to say he had a better SEASON than Bush is insane.

In short, you're insane.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: kalster
off trouble mistakes or not, he was a terrific player and that is all that should matter

If wasn't an off-the-field incident. He was clearly ineligible, and that makes it an ON THE FIELD issue.

Get ready to remove that sig, buddy. USC should be getting stripped of a title here shortly.

If even half of what I read is true, USC is in a world of hurt. Agents and marketers in the locker room and on the sideline?!? That's the definition of a lack of institutional control.

 

[BlancoNino]

I read all of the dates when he recieved stuff. That was last year. USC didn't win the title last year....so they can't strip them of something they won the year before when this stuff didn't happen.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Pastore
What does his performance on the field, and his resulting Heisman, have to do with receiving illicit aid?

Absolutely nothing but the argument will be made that he shouldn't have been elligible to play in the upcoming games/season and/or he was willfully disregarding the rules of the NCAA and must be punished justly. $100,000 punishment would need to come from his ability and not his pocket -- see where the argument could go?

Why does this rule exist? How does it hurt the college or the sport for players to be getting paid?

See definition of amateur athletics

EDIT: I expect an investigation and some penalties for USC

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Deeko

Beat me to it, I smell a Heisman removal here.. looks like the player who really deserved it for last year will actually get it!

bar none, that is the stupidest comment I've ever heard anyone say about anything in my entire life.

That's too bad, considering Vince Young was the best player last year and won the National Championship almost single-handedly. Bush is a great player, but he was on a team with ANOTHER Heisman winner, ANOTHER very talented RB, TWO great Receivers and a versatile Tight End. Your anti-Eagle NFL predictions are a joke if you want to talk about real stupidity.

That's funny, I thought we were talking about college football. At any rate, the Eagles blow.

What's important is while yes, Young single handedly won the championship, to say he had nothing on his team is insane, and to say he's a better player than Bush is insane, and to say he had a better SEASON than Bush is insane.

In short, you're insane.

That makes about as much sense as your picks. :roll:

Yeah, I'm stupid for thinking a QB that went undefeated and was pretty much the only offensive weapon Texas had should be the Hesiman Trophy winner. I guess all those analysts who said the trophy went to the wrong guy after he won the Rose Bowl were insane too huh?

Stick to the NFL Deeko, don't make a fool out of yourself in Professional AND Collegiate Football. Young deserves the Heisman, end of story, not some highlight realin', open-field running RB who made one of the STUPIDEST plays in Rose Bowl history that might have COST his team the championship. And compared to what Bush did have on his team last year, Young was in a league of his own.

2005 Passing
Comp Att Yards TDs Int
212 365 3,036 26 10

2005 Rushing
Att Yds Avg TD
155 1,050 6.8 12

So that's 26 Passing TD's and 12 Rushing TD's

Bush had 2,611 all-purpose yards and scored 18 touchdowns (15 rushing, 2 receiving, 1 returning punts)

So that's 4000+ total yards to 2611 yards. 38 TD's to 18 TD's, and in the end he beat Reggie's team to win the Rose Bowl with a 4 TD day... how am I insane again? :roll:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I read all of the dates when he recieved stuff. That was last year. USC didn't win the title last year....so they can't strip them of something they won the year before when this stuff didn't happen.

It depends on win the gifts started to determine when he was ineligible.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Not that I think you're wrong or anything, but comparing total yardage for a QB and a RB is a ridiculous comparison, and if you knew anything about football in general you'd be ashamed doing so.

And the Rose Bowl stuff is the moot point, as it came three weeks after the Heisman was awarded.

Now, with this in mind, I agree with you on the point of Young getting it over Bush.

 

[Deeko]

Yes, thats just straight GENIUS. Compare numbers between a running back and a quarterback. Wow. You sure showed me.

Bush is a better player, end of story. Young is going to be an NFL bust of Ryan Leaf-like proportions. He's a slower Vick.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, thats just straight GENIUS. Compare numbers between a running back and a quarterback. Wow. You sure showed me.

Bush is a better player, end of story. Young is going to be an NFL bust of Ryan Leaf-like proportions. He's a slower Vick.

Young will bust. Bush will do ok.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
Not that I think you're wrong or anything, but comparing total yardage for a QB and a RB is a ridiculous comparison, and if you knew anything about football in general you'd be ashamed doing so.

And the Rose Bowl stuff is the moot point, as it came three weeks after the Heisman was awarded.

Now, with this in mind, I agree with you on the point of Young getting it over Bush.

You're insane!

No really, I know it's not the most accurate comparison to make comparion total yards of QB's and RB's, but it's really just ment to show how much Texas relied on Young, USC's entire team from last year will be in the NFL one day. I bet you Texas WR Sweed won't even go till the 4th round.

Yes, Bush deserved the trophy before the Rose Bowl, I agree with that totally. All I'm saying now is striping it from Bush will mean VY will get it, and AFTER the Rose Bowl I do believe he deserved it more, he proved what kind of incredible player he is against one of the best College teams in recent history, he left it all on the field and backed up his claim that he would prove Texas was the best team that year by beating USC.

 

[Deeko]

I guess you're one of those fools that thinks Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning, too.