Regarding the schoolboard bigot that wished gay kids dead:

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child of wonder

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I'm sure he did. We all routinely go from publicly spewing homophobia to calm acceptance overnight.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm sure he did. We all routinely go from publicly spewing homophobia to calm acceptance overnight.

Did you watch the video? He didn't say he stopped being a bigot. What he said was that he doesn't really wish gays would die, that his words were not what he really feels.

What I believe is that folk are full of hate and violence and inappropriate words because they are surrounded by a permissive climate in which such things have become acceptable and that we fall into that tone without really believing even though we know it's not right. I believe that our hate is killing us and we seek release but when we do and cause real harm we feel regret.

I believe this because I see this man as basically good beneath his bigotry. I feel rather sad for those who don't because I don't think they like themselves very much and see others as they see themselves.
 

Kadarin

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I agree with Moonbeam; when you look at a picture of the guy, he has this warm, accepting look that makes you want to trust him.
 

LumbergTech

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no, I don't believe him at all

he doesn't even seem remotely like a decent human being

ok hes not hitler he doesnt want to gas chamber them all, but thats about it

I am willing to accept it when someone makes a genuine change, but this guy is choking on his words he can't even answer a question directly he always has to dance around it.
 

werepossum

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Did you watch the video? He didn't say he stopped being a bigot. What he said was that he doesn't really wish gays would die, that his words were not what he really feels.

What I believe is that folk are full of hate and violence and inappropriate words because they are surrounded by a permissive climate in which such things have become acceptable and that we fall into that tone without really believing even though we know it's not right. I believe that our hate is killing us and we seek release but when we do and cause real harm we feel regret.

I believe this because I see this man as basically good beneath his bigotry. I feel rather sad for those who don't because I don't think they like themselves very much and see others as they see themselves.

Remarkably good post. Many people are basically good, decent people with bigotry that they never examine until forced to do so. This guy probably never thought of gays as really human, or at least not on the same order as non-gays, until faced with such widespread condemnation. I can accept that he never really wanted gay kids to die, but he needed to learn that this was not an acceptable thing to say whether or not he really wanted it.
 

Craig234

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Bigotry is largely ignorance. When confronted with having to recognize something they didn't understand about their views, it's possible for them to change, usually. What often leads to them is simply the 'infrastructure of ignorance' - they may have adopted some views without information, found political groups who are accepting of that and legitimize it with 'political positions', who reassure them that those who disagree are wrong, if not hateful or evil, and they have social circles who reinforce their views. So when his anger at seeing 'politically correct sheep who cater to the gay agenda with things like telling him to wear purple in contradiction to his principled opposition to that agenda' is expressed, but he's then forced to deal with looking at the actual gay people his views are so hateful to, you see him starting to have some indication he 'went too far', that he was 'hateful'.

Sometimes, such people can even go on to become advocates for the opposite of their old views, though I wouldn't put odds on it for most.

It's really something to watch when bigots have to deal with the ignorance of their views and might realize they were wrong. They generally say 'they didn't understand before' and similar things. This has happened with race bigotry, gender bigotry, religious bigotry, and many more.

For significant bigotry issues, it's often reinforced by institutional rewards for championing the bigotry. In the slave south, defending slavery got you a lot more rewards than arguing the people were bigots. In religions opposed to gays, the same. In many situations, positions of power, book sales, and so on go to those who defend the bigotry, and a price is paid by those who try to end it.

Not that long ago, this guy would have been rewarded, and the person behind the 'purple' campaign would be in jeopardy of resigning.

That's what these campaigns against bigotry are hoping to do, to switch, eventually, that culture to where the bigotry is punished, not its opponents.

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