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regarding the ending of se7en...

Gooberlx2

Gooberlx2

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do you think that a real world jury would convict the detective, after hearing that his wife and unborn child were murdered....in a wretched manner...from the man who killed them...face-to-face, of murder? I don't think they would. I don't think I would.

[edit] Remember that in this case he got confirmation (for the most part) from his partner that the act was in fact carried out [/edit]
 
I don't think I would either. I know for a fact that I would kill were I in his shoes.

I had to vote yes though. I think most people would probably see that what he did was out of revenge and following the letter of the law they would have to convict.
 
Originally posted by: bleeb
Let's get some real lawyer's opinions on this subject. Any actual lawyers here at ATOT?
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future lawyer here who should be studying for finals...he'd should be able to argue heat of passion and at the very minimum get the charges reduced...i'd still have a hard time seeing any jury convict him regardless of what the charge was

HEAT OF PASSION - A mental state provoked by fear, rage, anger or terror that, combined with adequate provocation, is an element of certain crimes like voluntary manslaughter. Provocation, in order to be adequate, must be such as might naturally cause a reasonable person in the passion of the moment to lose self-control and act on impulse and without reflection. The effect is to to act as an extenuating circumstance that can reduce the severity of the crime charged almost like a defense.
 
It would be something like manslaughter, definitely not first degree or anything. There was no intent or premeditation, so if anything he probably would get a real light sentence. The jury would be made up of childless males most likely.
 
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: bleeb
Let's get some real lawyer's opinions on this subject. Any actual lawyers here at ATOT?
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Not sure, but there does seem to be a lot of doctors around here
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<-- ATOT Dr.'s standard response, cut it off! 😛
 
That's the only movie that I thought was great, but I'll never watch again.. the ending was too... what's the word? Disturbing.

But, I'd vote to convict and recommend as lenient a sentence as allowed.
 
I'd think he'd get let off, or at least a hung jury over and over and over. I find it hard to fathom that 12 people could vote for him to be convicted.
Great movie btw, one of my faves.
 
But since he hesitated so many times, would it still be heat of passion?
He just stands there, thinking about whether or not he should kill him rather than just shooting him as soon as he finds out. Wouldn't that rule out heat of passion and make it simply manslaughter?
 
I find it hard to fathom that 12 people could vote for him to be convicted.
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Same here. I think it would be pretty clear the only reason the detective shot him is because of the extreme circumstances he was put into. Whether or not that makes for a valid legal defense I don't know, but can't see a jury looking past it either way.
 
Originally posted by: IEatChildren
But since he hesitated so many times, would it still be heat of passion?
He just stands there, thinking about whether or not he should kill him rather than just shooting him as soon as he finds out. Wouldn't that rule out heat of passion and make it simply manslaughter?
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You still have to consider the witness though. What would his testimony be in a trial? There was only one witness wasn't there? Been a while since I've seen it.
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
you missed the entire point of the film, good job.
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and what is the point, oh great one?
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It wasn't whether or not that he would be convicted, but that he sinned in killing John Doe.
 
I don't think he really cared about being convicted or not, but no I don't think he would get convicted of murder. Manslaughter, yes, but not murder.

I know if I were in his shoes that guy would have been lucky to have gotten away with just getting shot in the face.
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
you missed the entire point of the film, good job.
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and what is the point, oh great one?
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It wasn't whether or not that he would be convicted, but that he sinned in killing John Doe.
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I'm pretty sure we're all smart enough to be aware of this (for the most part anyway 😉 )....

I probably should have made the poll question whether or not you would convict him....I wonder if I would do the same thing. On one hand, in a blind rage, I could see myself wanting nothing more than for this man to die....now. OTOH, I could also see myself striving to do nothing but prove that man wrong...and make damn sure he's miserable for the rest of his life...

....thereby proving him right anyway since he would be suffering my "wrath" for the remainder of his days. See...I didn't miss the point 😛
 
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