Regarding Blanking and Back Porch Settings

PzyMazter

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I've posted before about my problem on these boards, and the last time someone mentioned that maybe TMDS transmitters being weak on NVIDIA cards contributed to an issue I've been having with DVI and a flickering line in the top right area of the screen, along the top line.

My hardware:
ASUS K8V Deluxe, A64 3200+ S754
2x 512 MB Infineon DDR400 (though I'm looking to upgrade in the next day or two to low latency QUALITY memory)
GeForce FX 5900 NU by XFX (also tried by BFG and a Ti4600 by LeadTek, all produce same exact problem)
Samsung 930B SXGA TFT display (replaced my "faulty" Viewsonic VP171 that I took to CompUSA with a 2 year carry in warranty)

Well, after a ton of screwing around with Powerstrip, I may have found something.

Though I have tried using CVT - Reduced Blanking mode in NVIDIA drivers, I do not believe it ever actually worked. Every time I clicked the apply button, it would revert to "custom settings" as read from E-EDID (I believe). Thus I do not think I was ever actually able to test any settings other than default on either of my LCD monitors.

Upon realizing this, I started messing with the settings in Powerstrip. 5 hours later, it appears that by setting the Vertical Back Porch setting to 10 lines for the 1280x1024 native resolution, I am able to virtually eliminate the problem entirely. I say virtually because in my high-tech running around in CounterStrike and running 3DMark05 testing, I have not noticed anything that I can distinctly recall, but I have vague moments of thinking I may see the flicker.

Other ways of doing the same thing include reducing Front Porch to 1 line, Sync Width to 0 lines, and Back Porch to I think 12 or 13 lines. I can play with the 3 numbers, but I figured for simplicity's sake it was best to stick with one number.

By default, my settings read for vertical as 1024 active lines, 1 Front porch line(s), 3 Sync Width lines, 38 Back porch lines, and a total of 1066 lines. When I say default, I mean according to E-EDID default.

Reducing my Back porch from 38 lines to 10 lines SEEMS to have no negative impact, but all I really know about what I'm doing is that I'm reducing the Blanking, and to be honost I am not even sure entirely what Blanking is.

Can anyone help perhaps explain what these settings and blanking actually mean (an hour and a half of google doesn't help)? Are there any possible ill effects? Any signs of negative effects I should look for?

I need to mention that if I set the Back porch and whatnot too low, I DO get screen corruption, starting at slight and increasing to MASSIVE INDISCERNABLE corruption. Nothing at all I can see at 10 lines.

Also, on my laptop native 1680x1050, the vertical serttings are DEFAULT Back Porch of 11 lines, total of 1065. 1065 on a 1050 native as opposed to 1066 on a 1024 native for my main computer.

Not messing around too much on the laptop as it has no problems (and incidentally an ATI video card with DVI output that produces flawless results on my monitor).

I just don't know what to think. It SEEMS alright, but I don't want to damage my hardware, or at least any worse than things already are. I heard today that by not having a UPS (uninterruptable power supply), I could be damaging my computer. I have just a standard surge protector as things stand. This may or may not be relevent.

Thanks a lot! This has been the most helpful forum by far I've tried so far, hopefully to keep with the trend.
 

Matthias99

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Reducing my Back porch from 38 lines to 10 lines SEEMS to have no negative impact, but all I really know about what I'm doing is that I'm reducing the Blanking, and to be honost I am not even sure entirely what Blanking is.

Can anyone help perhaps explain what these settings and blanking actually mean (an hour and a half of google doesn't help)? Are there any possible ill effects? Any signs of negative effects I should look for?

I need to mention that if I set the Back porch and whatnot too low, I DO get screen corruption, starting at slight and increasing to MASSIVE INDISCERNABLE corruption. Nothing at all I can see at 10 lines.

Basically, the blanking interval is the amount of time between when the video card finishes sending one frame and starts sending the next one over the DVI link. On a CRT display, this is needed because at the end of drawing a frame, the electron gun has to reset itself back to the top of the screen. LCDs don't need to do this, but the electronics still need a short time to get ready to start processing the next frame. If the blanking interval is too high (or the card is incapable of sending all the data for the selected res/refresh in the allotted time), some of the data will not be received correctly by the display, causing corruption. If the interval is too low for the display to handle, it will not be correctly able to discern the end of one frame from the beginning of the next, also leading to corruption. None of this should permanently damage anything.

Reducing the length of the blanking interval increases the amount of time that the card has to send all the data for the frame. If your video card is just shy of being able to send all the data it needs to for each frame, this can push it over the edge into stability and make the display work properly. It's usually only needed if you are trying to go beyond the 'normal' DVI spec (e.g. running 1900x1200 on a single link or something like that).

I heard today that by not having a UPS (uninterruptable power supply), I could be damaging my computer. I have just a standard surge protector as things stand. This may or may not be relevent.

Um, no. Extremely dirty power might damage your PSU over time (and obviously a big enough surge could destroy it if it does not have a surge protector), but a UPS is certainly not necessary. Power sags ('brownouts') could affect your supply voltages, if your PSU cannot adjust for them fast enough (or the power drops below ~110-115V for extended periods of time). This can lead to system instability (since you are effectively undervolting everything when this happens), but even that would probably not permanently affect most components.
 

PzyMazter

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So if I'm understanding this, as long as I don't see any corruption my monitor is correctly handling the reduced blanking interval? And am I right in assuming that I am lowering the interval by lowering the number of lines in the back porch?

As long as it's safe and has no ill effects, I may have just solved a problem plaguing me since February that NO ONE has been able to help with and countless hours and $180 (plus whatever I cost the store with my returning a non defective product, but I guess they'll never know) have already went in to.

This is for 1280x1024 (and even lower! for 640x480 I have to reduce the back porch/blanking interval just to avoid corruption..), but I already knew my problem was very unconventional and having to do what people do for much higher resolutions for much lower resolutions doesn't surprise me.

And perhaps the whole UPS issue came up as another last resort for me to try to fix my problem, just like my buying new memory, a new monitor, and a new video card started as possible fixes. The latter 3 are now just computer upgrades, I suppose.

If a UPS won't help me, then I'll probably save the $50 or $30 or whatever it would cost me to get one. The guy at the computer repair shop was convinced it was a good idea, especially since I did bring up concern for my home power's interference possibly causing a problem. The reason for this is that I am able to reproduce a similar graphical problem at home but not at the store, when using my own power as opposed to theirs. This is me in their store with my hardware (including monitor and cable but no keyboard/mouse), so I really don't know what else to blame besides power.

Then again, remembering why I was going to buy it, maybe I should go ahead with it.
 

Peter

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No problem there mate. On a CRT, when the blanking interval is too short, you'll get the top end of the image squished together, and if you're totally overdoing it, you'll get the first few lines of display into the flyback period of the beam, causing bright diagonal stripes.
Having too long a blanking interval wastes time, in that it lowers the frame rate. (With the horizontal scan rate being constant.)

Now with a DVI panel, the blanking period is essentially completely redundant. Go with whatever your monitor handles best. It _is_ kind of silly that the monitor doesn't like what it suggested itself (the EDID data), unless we are looking at a driver or hardware bug on the other end.
 

PzyMazter

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Well it's the video card that's causing the problem, but setting the lower Back Porch setting alleviates the problem.

Thanks.