I posted these refs to the original thread, but I thought it might be good to create a separate topic since people should be able to see the references exist and find them easily..
No, I am not full of hot air, this is for real and it could have a serious impact on new hardware sales, and of course, system performance..
(imagine the impact several encryption/decryption steps, say the hard drive, the monitor, the lack of ability to defragment disks, the network, etc... would have on system throughput!)
Because of the impact on computing in general, people need to speak up now... Computer sales have already declined.. Imagine if all new computers were 'hobbled' in this way...
Please respond to the original poll and make your voice known...
its at:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=314554
_____________okay, here are the refs_____________
Alan Cox posted a message to the Linux-Kernel mailing list about it recently here:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0012.2/0659.html
Others:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/12/20/161311/22
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/15620.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/12/30/0457211.shtml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15718.html
http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/top/docs/copy122900.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15686.html
Here's the text of a letter John Gilmore, sixth employee of Sun Microsystems, and one of the founders of the EFF, wrote to the cryptography mailing list about it.
_____begin copied letter_______
To: cryptography@c2.net
Subject: IBM&Intel push copy protection into ordinary disk drives
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:16:03 -0800
From: John Gilmore
The Register has broken a story of the latest tragedy of copyright
mania in the computer industry. Intel and IBM have invented and
are pushing a change to the standard spec for PC hard drives that
would
make each one enforce "copy protection" on the data stored on
the hard drive. You wouldn't be able to copy data from your own
hard drive to another drive, or back it up, without permission from
some third party. Every drive would have a unique ID and unique
keys, and would encrypt the data it stores -- not to protect YOU,
the drive's owner, but to protect unnamed third parties AGAINST
you.
The same guy who leads the DVD Copy Control Association is
heading the organization that licenses this new technology -- John
Hoy. He's a front-man for the movie and record companies, and a
leading figure in
the California DVD lawsuit. These people are lunatics, who would
destroy the future of free expression and technological
development, so they could sit in easy chairs at the top of the
smoking ruins and light their cigars off 'em.
The folks at Intel and IBM who are letting themselves be led by the
nose are even crazier. They've piled fortunes on fortunes by
building machines that are better and better at copying and
communicating WHATEVER collections of raw bits their customers
desire to copy. Now for some completely unfathomable reason,
they're actively destroying that working business model. Instead
they're building in circuitry
that gives third parties enforceable veto power over which bits
their customers can send where. (This disk drive stuff is just the
tip of the iceberg; they're doing the same thing with LCD monitors,
flash memory, digital cable interfaces, BIOSes, and the OS. Next
week we'll probably hear of some new industry-wide copy
protection spec, perhaps for network interface cards or DRAMs.) I
don't know whether the movie
moguls are holding compromising photos of Intel and IBM
executives over their heads, or whether they have simply lost
their minds. The only way they can succeed in imposing this on the
buyers in the
computer market is if those buyers have no honest vendors to
turn to.
Or if those buyers honestly don't know what they are being sold.
So spread the word. No copy protection should exist ANYWHERE in
generic computer hardware! It's up to the BUYER to determine
what to use their product for. It's not up to the vendors of
generic hardware, and certainly not up to a record company that's
shadily influencing those vendors in back-room meetings. Demand a
policy declaration from your vendor that they will build only open
hardware, not covertly controlled hardware. Use your purchasing
dollars to enforce that policy.
Our business should go to the honest vendors, who'll sell you a
drive and an OS and a motherboard and a CPU and a monitor that
YOU, the buyer, can determine what is a valid use of. Don't send
your money to Intel or IBM or Sony. Give your money to the
vendors who'll sell you a product that YOU control.
- John
____________________end copied letter________
Hope that helps!
-putergeek
No, I am not full of hot air, this is for real and it could have a serious impact on new hardware sales, and of course, system performance..
(imagine the impact several encryption/decryption steps, say the hard drive, the monitor, the lack of ability to defragment disks, the network, etc... would have on system throughput!)
Because of the impact on computing in general, people need to speak up now... Computer sales have already declined.. Imagine if all new computers were 'hobbled' in this way...
Please respond to the original poll and make your voice known...
its at:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=314554
_____________okay, here are the refs_____________
Alan Cox posted a message to the Linux-Kernel mailing list about it recently here:
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0012.2/0659.html
Others:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/12/20/161311/22
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/15620.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/12/30/0457211.shtml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15718.html
http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/top/docs/copy122900.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15686.html
Here's the text of a letter John Gilmore, sixth employee of Sun Microsystems, and one of the founders of the EFF, wrote to the cryptography mailing list about it.
_____begin copied letter_______
To: cryptography@c2.net
Subject: IBM&Intel push copy protection into ordinary disk drives
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:16:03 -0800
From: John Gilmore
The Register has broken a story of the latest tragedy of copyright
mania in the computer industry. Intel and IBM have invented and
are pushing a change to the standard spec for PC hard drives that
would
make each one enforce "copy protection" on the data stored on
the hard drive. You wouldn't be able to copy data from your own
hard drive to another drive, or back it up, without permission from
some third party. Every drive would have a unique ID and unique
keys, and would encrypt the data it stores -- not to protect YOU,
the drive's owner, but to protect unnamed third parties AGAINST
you.
The same guy who leads the DVD Copy Control Association is
heading the organization that licenses this new technology -- John
Hoy. He's a front-man for the movie and record companies, and a
leading figure in
the California DVD lawsuit. These people are lunatics, who would
destroy the future of free expression and technological
development, so they could sit in easy chairs at the top of the
smoking ruins and light their cigars off 'em.
The folks at Intel and IBM who are letting themselves be led by the
nose are even crazier. They've piled fortunes on fortunes by
building machines that are better and better at copying and
communicating WHATEVER collections of raw bits their customers
desire to copy. Now for some completely unfathomable reason,
they're actively destroying that working business model. Instead
they're building in circuitry
that gives third parties enforceable veto power over which bits
their customers can send where. (This disk drive stuff is just the
tip of the iceberg; they're doing the same thing with LCD monitors,
flash memory, digital cable interfaces, BIOSes, and the OS. Next
week we'll probably hear of some new industry-wide copy
protection spec, perhaps for network interface cards or DRAMs.) I
don't know whether the movie
moguls are holding compromising photos of Intel and IBM
executives over their heads, or whether they have simply lost
their minds. The only way they can succeed in imposing this on the
buyers in the
computer market is if those buyers have no honest vendors to
turn to.
Or if those buyers honestly don't know what they are being sold.
So spread the word. No copy protection should exist ANYWHERE in
generic computer hardware! It's up to the BUYER to determine
what to use their product for. It's not up to the vendors of
generic hardware, and certainly not up to a record company that's
shadily influencing those vendors in back-room meetings. Demand a
policy declaration from your vendor that they will build only open
hardware, not covertly controlled hardware. Use your purchasing
dollars to enforce that policy.
Our business should go to the honest vendors, who'll sell you a
drive and an OS and a motherboard and a CPU and a monitor that
YOU, the buyer, can determine what is a valid use of. Don't send
your money to Intel or IBM or Sony. Give your money to the
vendors who'll sell you a product that YOU control.
- John
____________________end copied letter________
Hope that helps!
-putergeek
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