Red states vs Blue states, again

[Mill]

Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

 

[ChrisIsBored]

Preferably working links help debunk previous ideals.

Edit: Doh! You got it, thanks

 

[Tarpon6]

The liberal favorite charity is the government.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

That's kind of interesting. Maybe that could explain the liberal ideas of taxing the rich and social programs - they *want* to help the needy, but can't do it on their own and need the government to step in and force them to be nice. That's sounds rather trollish, but I'm being rather serious. I don't know if that site's method of determining who is "more generous' is accurate, so all this is just based on the supposition that it is.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Is this taking into account that the redstates get more federal tax money in than they give out?

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe that charity ought to be run like the post office. Everybody pays 37 cents and gets the same fantastic national service. If the income of the US were directed to helping people to grow up physically and mentally healthy we could transform the world into a paradise.

In order to work for nothing you need to be afraid and a fearful person is less likely to give. It is in the cities and the blue states that economic competition via poverty and fear must take place.

People give when they feel secure. People feel secure when there is a safety net. If you want to employ people for nothing you attack the safety net. Private charity is best because like business it is efficient is the mantra. That's because government charity, via its enormous power, could actually work.

But as with anything things have to be done with intelligence and an understanding of human psychology. You help people best when you help them to help themselves. I'm thinking of a US Grameen Bank, just as an example.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

Would be nice if they broke tithing out of those numbers.

 

[smashp]

"The index does not take into account non-itemized giving or volunteering"

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

Would be nice if they broke tithing out of those numbers.

1) true

2) I don't know about your chuch experiences, but ours gives an extraordinary amount of money to others charities, as well as funding for its own charitable exercises. And it issues a year-end staement, detailing all the contributions and disbursements. But then again, it's hard to fit that into a catchy, one-line quip, so just feel free to skip over it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

Would be nice if they broke tithing out of those numbers.

1) true

2) I don't know about your chuch experiences, but ours gives an extraordinary amount of money to others charities, as well as funding for its own charitable exercises. And it issues a year-end staement, detailing all the contributions and disbursements. But then again, it's hard to fit that into a catchy, one-line quip, so just feel free to skip over it.

Not all money sent to churches via tithing goes to charities. Your argument doesn't take into account other fund-raising activities at your church (Bingo, church picnics, raffles, special requests, etc.)

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

Would be nice if they broke tithing out of those numbers.

1) true

2) I don't know about your chuch experiences, but ours gives an extraordinary amount of money to others charities, as well as funding for its own charitable exercises. And it issues a year-end staement, detailing all the contributions and disbursements. But then again, it's hard to fit that into a catchy, one-line quip, so just feel free to skip over it.

Not all money sent to churches via tithing goes to charities. Your argument doesn't take into account other fund-raising activities at your church (Bingo, church picnics, raffles, special requests, etc.)

And not every dime you send to Sally Struthers goes directly to the mouth of a kid in Africa. What's your point? *All* money that passes in and out of the hands of our church is accounted for and detailed in a year-end financial statement, available to all members. I'm more that satified with the level of funded used for charitable efforts and I've never seen anything that looked suspicious. Our preacher is not driving a new BMW or anthing.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill
Red states are MUCH more charitable and generous than Blue states

Does this debunk the "Conservatives want you rot and die, but we will give you money" spiel?

Would be nice if they broke tithing out of those numbers.

1) true

2) I don't know about your chuch experiences, but ours gives an extraordinary amount of money to others charities, as well as funding for its own charitable exercises. And it issues a year-end staement, detailing all the contributions and disbursements. But then again, it's hard to fit that into a catchy, one-line quip, so just feel free to skip over it.

Not all money sent to churches via tithing goes to charities. Your argument doesn't take into account other fund-raising activities at your church (Bingo, church picnics, raffles, special requests, etc.)

And not every dime you send to Sally Struthers goes directly to the mouth of a kid in Africa. What's your point? *All* money that passes in and out of the hands of our church is accounted for and detailed in a year-end financial statement, available to all members. I'm more that satified with the level of funded used for charitable efforts and I've never seen anything that looked suspicious. Our preacher is not driving a new BMW or anthing.

I'm not casting aspersions onto those handling the money in your church.

My whole point is how much charitable giving is done outside of tithing in the "red" states? IMHO, tithing occurs much more so in the "red" states than in the "blue" states. Therefore, imho, those in the "blue" states are giving freely from their hearts instead of an obligation to their church.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Ayup.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Ayup.

That's kind of sad my man. You should come visit my family in Tennessee. They give to the church because they enjoy giving.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Ayup.

That's kind of sad my man. You should come visit my family in Tennessee. They give to the church because they enjoy giving.

I didn't say everyone. I know there are some who truly give out of goodness. My experience, however, is that most see it as an obligation, like monthly newspaper subscription.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Ayup.

That's kind of sad my man. You should come visit my family in Tennessee. They give to the church because they enjoy giving.

I didn't say everyone. I know there are some who truly give out of goodness. My experience, however, is that most see it as an obligation, like monthly newspaper subscription.

I suppose the same can be said across all forms of 'giving'. A lot of businesses do it for tax breaks and a lot of regular people do it for the same reason. The great thing about the church is that your average person actually gives money that they could truly use and never see a single $$ trimmed from their taxes.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Giving in general should be done for the sake of giving and not out of obligation.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Ayup.

That's kind of sad my man. You should come visit my family in Tennessee. They give to the church because they enjoy giving.

I didn't say everyone. I know there are some who truly give out of goodness. My experience, however, is that most see it as an obligation, like monthly newspaper subscription.

I suppose the same can be said across all forms of 'giving'. A lot of businesses do it for tax breaks and a lot of regular people do it for the same reason. The great thing about the church is that your average person actually gives money that they could truly use and never see a single $$ trimmed from their taxes.

If they don't take the tax breaks they are foolish.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Do you honestly believe that most people who tithe do so out of a sense of obligation as opposed to a desire to give for the sake of giving?

Giving in general should be done for the sake of giving and not out of obligation.

Your sig is the coolest thing I have ever read.

 

[Mill]

It is sad how conjur seeks the bad out of everything he disagrees with. Such bitterness and intolerance.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Mill
It is sad how conjur seeks the bad out of everything he disagrees with. Such bitterness and intolerance.

You think it's a case of one adopting the attitude of those they despise?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Mill
It is sad how conjur seeks the bad out of everything he disagrees with. Such bitterness and intolerance.

Hunh? BTW, I've seen many of your past posts in OT...you're one to talk of bitterness.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Mill
It is sad how conjur seeks the bad out of everything he disagrees with. Such bitterness and intolerance.

Hunh? BTW, I've seen many of your past posts in OT...you're one to talk of bitterness.

What does OT have to do with P&N? In OT you were a fun guy whose posts I enjoyed. Now you are a bitter individual that comes awfully close to being a full blown troll. So, if you want to bring OT up -- you've managed to downgrade yourself.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Mill
It is sad how conjur seeks the bad out of everything he disagrees with. Such bitterness and intolerance.

You think it's a case of one adopting the attitude of those they despise?

I'm sure that makes it ok, right?