Red state takes a piece of the "socialist" playbook. Offers free community college.

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Anything to get this ball rolling works for me. Ill take this as a win.

Also, does FOX or Trump know about this? They might have something to say about this evil socialist stuff
 
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1sikbITCH

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It's because unlike the rest of the country, the GOP in Tennessee got their heads out of their asses and stopped blaming libruls and darkies for their own stupidity.

THE RADICAL-SOUNDING idea of Republican free college was the brainchild of Haslam, a billionaire businessman who became one of the nation’s wealthiest governors when he took office in 2011. Haslam realized soon after he was elected that Tennessee’s workforce was significantly lacking.


The state’s biggest cities and most remote rural towns were plagued by the same problems, he said: “You had a whole generation of folks who thought, ‘No, I’m going to do what my father or mother did.’ And then they realized that job my father or mother did is gone. Then all of a sudden you have these areas saying, ‘What are we going to do?’”

This guy did not follow Putin's playbook. He took ownership of the fact that his constituents were uneducated and largely on welfare and instead of blaming Mexicans and libruls he put forth a solution. A *gasp* socialist solution. I have no problems with Republicans like this.
 

thilanliyan

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A *gasp* socialist solution. I have no problems with Republicans like this.
Pfft, solutions are for suckers. Any day now the trade war will be won, renewable energy will run out, and all those glorious manufacturing and coal jobs will come flooding back.

OT, this is a great idea. Education is paramount IMO. Maybe lower cost education can be framed this way on a national level...then it can't (hopefully) be called handouts.
 
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nOOky

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I've always been an advocate for something like this Federally, kudos to them for making it a reality.
 

dainthomas

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Would be nice if this was the first step back toward Eisenhower-style conservatism. Caring about regular people and the country as a whole, rather than just oligarchs and ultra-conservative evangelicals.
 
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College paid for by taxes isn't socialism detective dipshit. Try again with your fail logic.


Anyhow kudos to TN. It's a shame it won't be used for shit though since everyone and their mother thinks they ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY MUST go to full university right after high school, $10k/year debt and all.

Go to a community college to cover the basics for a fraction of a penny? Nawwwww dude, that's not cool. How am I going to learn important skills like beer pong at college frathouse parties?
 

UNCjigga

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Doesn't Georgia heavily subsidize in-state tuition at state schools for all residents through the lottery? I thought they've been doing that for decades.

Edit: I'm not suggesting that this is a good alternative for Bernie's proposals or even that this benefits all residents equally (I don't know the answer to that--but I wouldn't be surprised if a study found that non-Black/non-Latino high school students saw a greater share of tuition benefits, while blacks/latinos purchased a greater share of lottery tickets.)
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Doesn't Georgia heavily subsidize in-state tuition at state schools for all residents through the lottery? I thought they've been doing that for decades.

Edit: I'm not suggesting that this is a good alternative for Bernie's proposals or even that this benefits all residents equally (I don't know the answer to that--but I wouldn't be surprised if a study found that non-Black/non-Latino high school students saw a greater share of tuition benefits, while blacks/latinos purchased a greater share of lottery tickets.)
Yeah, there's some irony/social evolution behind taxing the stupid to get the smart ones through college.
 

fskimospy

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College paid for by taxes isn't socialism detective dipshit. Try again with your fail logic.

Anyhow kudos to TN. It's a shame it won't be used for shit though since everyone and their mother thinks they ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY MUST go to full university right after high school, $10k/year debt and all.

Go to a community college to cover the basics for a fraction of a penny? Nawwwww dude, that's not cool. How am I going to learn important skills like beer pong at college frathouse parties?

Taxpayer subsidized education is absolutely socialism, at least how conservatives in the US define it.
 
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IJTSSG

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I didn't know the Bernie plan included a national lottery and community service.

It's exactly the same :rolleyes:
 

Thebobo

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Our community college used to be almost free when I went in the early 80s. I could afford it and while at a shitty job
 

Starbuck1975

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Tennessee gave Trump 80% of the vote. However they are taking this play straight from the book of Bernie Sanders. Wonder how they square that?

While I'm not in favor of Bernie's free 4 year college, this seems to be working for them.


https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2019/01/16/tennessee-free-college-000867
How do they square it? Tax dollars working to the benefit of the electorate is not a uniquely socialist idea. It is a state making a smart investment in itself.
 

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How do they square it? Tax dollars working to the benefit of the electorate is not a uniquely socialist idea. It is a state making a smart investment in itself.

You'll have to ask conservatives, this is how they define socialism. I agree, it's ridiculous...
 

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There was a time during the Depression in this country when it was almost considered fashionable for people to flirt with membership in the American Communist Party. This later resulted in the blacklisting of film industry people like Dalton Trumbo, and the persecution of those and others for having -- at one time -- carried those membership cards in their pockets. This was the time of the ascendant HUAC -- the House UnAmerican Activities Committee --- which paralleled the antics of Senator Joe McCarthy.

Throughout the subsequent Cold War period, benign propaganda TV shows like "The Big Picture" made Americans vigilant and attentive to the country's challenge to a Soviet threat. Strategic Doctrine promoted by the JCS and other elements drew on a white paper written by George Kennan. To some odd degree, this focus on communism -- not unwarranted -- was as much a concern about totalitarianism that would include the Third Reich or any country with dictatorial and authoritarian leadership. And so the opposition to communism was in the minds of the public in those and subsequent days. And despite this narrative sold to the public, Kennan had stated that the problem with the Russians wasn't so much that they were communist, but that they were Russians.

Similar to the discord sown by the HUAC and McCarthy, history continued with various actors banging the drum for political reasons -- political in the sense they wanted to inspire fear and move voters to the Right, mostly. For instance, there was an Australian preacher who came to the US, appearing in rallies on TV. His name was Fred Schwarz. He had published a book entitled "You Can Trust the Communists To Be Communists", and the book-title was a slogan he echoed whenever he appeared in the media.

In the public mind's eye, Communism came to be seen as synonymous with Socialism. But there had been socialists of many flavors originating in the writings of Rousseau and others. Their attention was turned on norms of Justice and Social Responsibility as much as anything else. There was never any single ideology of Socialism. There was a single communist ideology.

Marx had written an historical study gathering evidence in the British Museum which he meant as a rebuttal of Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" published in 1776. Das Kapital was published around 1850. It does not belong on a shelf of "bad books". Instead, the perspective of his prolix study led him erroneously to collaborate with Friedrich Engels toward the end of the 19th century with the publication of the Communist Manifesto, promoting the notion of a "dictatorship of the proletariat". It would seem inevitable that the Manifesto would then fuel a revolution in the most backward of European countries, where the distribution of income and wealth was incredibly unequal, the Serfdom of Russian peasants had only recently been ended, and the Czarist regime had become even more corrupt.

We spent $6 Trillion on the Cold War, but the Cold War never ended. A Russian tradition of autocracy re-emerged after Yeltsin was president; all the major trouble-spots in the world since then have been former Cold War pawns or hot-spots -- Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, the South China Sea. It is folly to think that we "won" the Cold War or that it had ended.

In the midst of all this, some Americans confuse themselves to assume that Public Goods, Collective Goods financed at public expense, or anything the Congress chooses to expend money other than National Defense are "Socialist", and they believe that any yielding ground to some domestic program with federal spending is "creeping socialism" -- that it will lead to a situation where we all answer to a Totalitarian government, and our freedoms and precious bodily fluids have been compromised.

So I'm sick and tired of hearing the old "S-ooo-o-sh-al-ist!" mantra. It's a hollow moral justification for people who simply don't want to pay taxes through a representative government for a mix of things -- some which don't benefit the complainers directly. And today, with this Scourge in the White House and his minions -- our institutions are being destroyed extra-legally. Terminating institutions is the responsibility -- the sole responsibility of Congress. The President, as chief executive, is supposed to manage those institutions on behalf of citizens who want and approve them, and in spite of people who don't want them.
 
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