Red Light Camera: San Diego, CA

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BooGiMaN

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
"That simply isn't the case... I was driving a rental car in a strange city... it was a simple error... one you and your like could make just as easily. "

Okay. I'm still waiting. Around here the light is green, then it turns yellow to warn you that it's about to turn red, giving you plenty of time to either stop before the intersection, or make it through the intersection. My 16 year old with a learner's permit has figured the timing out and knows when to stop vs. when he has time to get through. But, that's around here.

Tell me about this strange city. Do they use different colors to trick you? Does it go Green... Aquamarine... Red? Or, perhaps they go through the whole ROYGBIV before getting to red? Green... Blue (and you're driving along wondering wtf?)... Purple? Orange??! RED! "AAAHHHH! I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO GO TO YELLOW BEFORE RED! THEY TRICKED ME!" Yeah, strange city.


I was wondering about that myself....besides it is hard to feel sorry for the idiot OP when he acts like an a-hole thoughout this whole thread.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

What if they said that jaywalking carried a $50,000 fine?

I wouldn't jaywalk.

You're a real "inside the box" thinker, aren't you? Not much of a thought process going on I gather.

In that example, did you even get a passing thought that maybe the fine was disproportionate to the crime?

Let me ask you another question: What if the government said that for your safety, your freedom of speech will be taken away? Would you resist, or would you comply like a brainless fool?
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ


You're a real "inside the box" thinker, aren't you? Not much of a thought process going on I gather.

In that example, did you even get a passing thought that maybe the fine was disproportionate to the crime?

Let me ask you another question: What if the government said that for your safety, your freedom of speech will be taken away? Would you resist?

No, you are just insanely overthinking things. $361 is in fact not to much for the offense.

The government would never outright say that they were taing away my freedoms. Sneaky bunch they are. I'm not sure what that has to do with the OP breaking the law though.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

What if they said that jaywalking carried a $50,000 fine?

I wouldn't jaywalk.

You're a real "inside the box" thinker, aren't you? Not much of a thought process going on I gather.

In that example, did you even get a passing thought that maybe the fine was disproportionate to the crime?

Let me ask you another question: What if the government said that for your safety, your freedom of speech will be taken away? Would you resist, or would you comply like a brainless fool?

wtf did you want him to say, oh mighty outside the box thinker?
"Well, if they raised the fine to 50k, then I'd swing from building to building on ropes high above the street..." Me, I'd think "Holy Cow, that's crazy! 50k fine for jaywalking? Well, I suppose I won't jay walk then." I'd also realize that none of my rights have been taken away (well, except the unusual punishment thing, maybe.) However, your second example is completely different: you've switched from a penalty for breaking a law to simply removing a constitutional right.

edit: and as far as the $361 fine being unreasonable? Well, if there's a problem with people running red lights, apparently the $10 fines weren't serving as enough of a deterent.
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BoomerD

Like it or not, you ADMITTED that you ran the red light, so even if the fine were $1000., you're guilty...so pay up...


You're claiming that his admission of guilt necessarily justifies the cost of the ticket.

What if the ticket was $7 million? At what point do people think to themselves that the fine must be proportionate to the offense?

For sure then he wouldn't be running the light again. Pay up!
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

What if they said that jaywalking carried a $50,000 fine?

I wouldn't jaywalk.

You're a real "inside the box" thinker, aren't you? Not much of a thought process going on I gather.

In that example, did you even get a passing thought that maybe the fine was disproportionate to the crime?

Let me ask you another question: What if the government said that for your safety, your freedom of speech will be taken away? Would you resist, or would you comply like a brainless fool?

WOW! You sure like to throw out the straw-men to knock on instead of dealing with the issue at hand...
Fines here have increased dramatically as a means of trying to slow the rampant running of red lights. FAR too many people seem to think they are too dammed important or in too much of a hurry to be inconvenienced by a stupid red light, so they go through them...The end result is often a serious accident, and many times, a fatal one...there are many pedestrians hit and killed by these same red-light runners, and of course, it's THEIR OWN fault for being lawfully in the intersection...right?
If you don't break the law, what does it matter HOW MUCH the fine is? Don't like paying high fines? Don't break the laws...
Have I ever broken traffic laws? You betcha...Have I ever been caught? Fortunately, only a couple of times in over 30 years and nearly 500,000 miles of driving, but on the rare occasion when it happened, I didn't whine about how unfair the fine was, I just paid the ****** thing, and (when offered) took the traffic school option to keep it off my record.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: DrPizza


wtf did you want him to say, oh mighty outside the box thinker? .


Oh, stop crying.

I'm not the one who ran the redlight, so bitch at somebody else.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: BoomerD

If you don't break the law, what does it matter HOW MUCH the fine is? Don't like paying high fines? Don't break the laws...

You seem like an emotional thinker, not a logical thinker. You can't get past the part where he admitted that he ran the redlight. You think that since he did something wrong, the penalty can be unlimited, yet still be justified.
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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Though the fine sucks, consider yourself lucky that's all you have to worry about. There's other scenarios that could have happened much worse where the dollar amount of your fine is the least of your worries. Put things into perspective and you might just feel better.

Pay $361, pass go, and be careful next time....as my grandpa is working on the roads out there!! :p

 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Doboji
You know it's funny... ATOT is so predictable.

I don't know why I let it get to me.

IMHO those of you who feel I "deserve" a $361 fine for this are idiot fascist pigs... and I hope you recieve nasty fines yourselves as soon as possible.

From this post forward I will no longer respond to your idiocy...

-Max
So you ask about the fine, specifically asking if Anubis thinks it's reasonable. Everyone responds, pointing out the possible destruction that could be caused by your mistake, and you fly off the ****** handle at everyone, calling them fascists and idiots because they happen to feel that $361 is a fair fine for running a red light.

Do I have that about right?

 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Doboji
You know it's funny... ATOT is so predictable.

I don't know why I let it get to me.

IMHO those of you who feel I "deserve" a $361 fine for this are idiot fascist pigs... and I hope you recieve nasty fines yourselves as soon as possible.

From this post forward I will no longer respond to your idiocy...

-Max
So you ask about the fine, specifically asking if Anubis thinks it's reasonable. Everyone responds, pointing out the possible destruction that could be caused by your mistake, and you fly off the ****** handle at everyone, calling them fascists and idiots because they happen to feel that $361 is a fair fine for running a red light.

Do I have that about right?

This is ATOT right?

So yes... you have that correct. I "flew" off the handle. I have however... since relaxing thanks to my lovely wife... been enjoying this thread.

It's entertaining:)

-Max

 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
So you ask about the fine, specifically asking if Anubis thinks it's reasonable. Everyone responds, pointing out the possible destruction that could be caused by your mistake, and you fly off the ****** handle at everyone, calling them fascists and idiots because they happen to feel that $361 is a fair fine for running a red light.

Do I have that about right?

If someone said that they felt that $361 is a fair fine to pay for that offense, that wouldn't anger me. At least they seem to understand the concept of a "fair fine".

What bothers me are the people who lack the critical thinking skills to understand that guilt of an offense does not equal an unlimited punishment. They think, "hey, if you don't like the fine, don't do the crime". They're simply less intelligent people which have a voice but not an understanding of the subject.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Doboji

This is ATOT right?

So yes... you have that correct. I "flew" off the handle. I have however... since relaxing thanks to my lovely wife... been enjoying this thread.


Dude, please tell me that you didn't just get it on while this argument has been taking place. :D

 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Doboji

This is ATOT right?

So yes... you have that correct. I "flew" off the handle. I have however... since relaxing thanks to my lovely wife... been enjoying this thread.


Dude, please tell me that you didn't just get it on while this argument has been taking place. :D

:eek::D

:thumbsup:
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
What bothers me are the people who lack the critical thinking skills to understand that guilt of an offense does not equal an unlimited punishment. They think, "hey, if you don't like the fine, don't do the crime". They're simply less intelligent people which have a voice but not an understanding of the subject.
It's a question of maturity. If you disagree with me at all, you deserve the maximum possible punishment. Not just you, but everyone you love and care about too...

I think it's a fair fine. I'd rate running a red light as more dangerous than speeding in most cases. I just got a fine for illegal passing. Damned Sunday drivers. :p

 
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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Originally posted by: blurredvision
EDIT: I also wanted to add that until cops themselves quit speeding, running lights, and doing whatever they please, then it's every citizen's right to bitch about ticket costs. Cops never get tickets for going 20 over on the interstate (which is ALL the time), or turning their sirens on to get through red lights (couldn't count how many times I've seen this)..
Umm..it's called priority calls buddy. What if the burglar alarm in your house is going off? Do you want cops to just loaf around and get there when they can, or do you want them to hurry up and get there?

Idiots like you are the real downside of being a police officer.
Sorry, but if it's important enough to get there quickly, sirens should be on. Otherwise, they are endangering others by breaking the limits and rules by not signaling other drivers of their intentions. Flipping their lights on only to get through a light or speeding 90 in the fast lane without sirens is reckless.

Idiots like you are the ones who defend the law without regard to morals or forgiveness. Police officers have their place, don't get me wrong, we'd be in a world of hurt without their bravery. But defending their hypocritic behavior is wrong.
 

Imported

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Originally posted by: miri
Im glad there are no red light cameras in Newport Beach or neighboring Irvine. Its sorta funny that they dont have red light cameras in 2 of the most expensive cities in California.

I miss Newport and Irvine. Unless you were by UCI, the cops didn't bother much. Wide and fast streets everywhere.
 

gypsyman

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Stan I am not reading this whole thread. It may be redundant, but Stan the radar man says he can beat a red light camera ticket.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Anubis
pay the ticket and dont run red lights

pretty simple

What if they said that the ticket is $2,000?

Would your answer be the same? Surely there must be some kind of justification for the price (other than revenue generation).

Just because you do something wrong doesn't give the state a blank check to do whatever they want to you.

I see a lot of posters on here using the faulty logic of "you did something wrong, therefore the ticket amount is justified". Nobody is saying that he didn't break a law, the contention is that the cost is unreasonable.

I hope they do jack the fine price up to $2,000 and the elitist's in here can't come up with that kind of money then see them change their god like attitude's.
 

Vinfinite

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Originally posted by: Imported
Originally posted by: miri
Im glad there are no red light cameras in Newport Beach or neighboring Irvine. Its sorta funny that they dont have red light cameras in 2 of the most expensive cities in California.

I miss Newport and Irvine. Unless you were by UCI, the cops didn't bother much. Wide and fast streets everywhere.

iirc even Campus Drive (road that runs parallel right next to uci) is 50mph lol
 

DivideBYZero

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You suck at driving and you got owned by a camera. Deal with it

Driving a rental car in a 'strange' city is no excuse. I drove 1000 miles in Florida last Christmas, in a rental car, on the wrong side of the road(for me being a Brit), every town was 'strange' and ran not one red light.

Enjoy the ticket, learn from it or you'll have more for sure.
 

Kaieye

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Well, the people who run City Hall in San Diego has to find someone to pay for Prop. 13 and homeless programs...