Recycled radioactive metal contaminates consumer products

BoomerD

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I don't know how much truth is in this...nor how widespread the alleged problem is, BUT, if it is as widespread as they allude, someone's been asleep at the wheel in our government. (again)
While it certainly wouldn't surprise me to find out that Red China and India are shipping us goods contaminated with radiation, I AM surprised that (1) There are no standards to control such goods, (2) that such goods are not properly inspected at the ports of entry, and (3) even more, that it's also a problem with US scrap yards.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/43577

"Thousands of everyday products and materials containing radioactive metals are surfacing across the United States and around the world.

Common kitchen cheese graters, reclining chairs, women's handbags and tableware manufactured with contaminated metals have been identified, some after having been in circulation for as long as a decade. So have fencing wire and fence posts, shovel blades, elevator buttons, airline parts and steel used in construction.

A Scripps Howard News Service investigation has found that -- because of haphazard screening, an absence of oversight and substantial disincentives for businesses to report contamination -- no one knows how many tainted goods are in circulation in the United States."

"In 2006 in Texas, for example, a recycling facility inadvertently created 500,000 pounds of radioactive steel byproducts after melting metal contaminated with Cesium-137, according to U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission records. In Florida in 2001, another recycler unintentionally did the same, and wound up with 1.4 million pounds of radioactive material. And in 1998, 430,000 pounds of steel laced with Cobalt-60 made it to the U.S. heartland from Brazil.

But an accounting of the magnitude of the problem is unknown because U.S. and state governments do not require scrap yards, recyclers and other businesses -- a primary line of defense against rogue radiation -- to screen metal goods and materials for radiation or report it when found. And no federal agency is responsible for oversight.

"Nobody's going to know -- nobody -- how much has been melted into consumer goods," said Ray Turner, an international expert on radiation with Fort Mitchell, Ky.-based River Metals Recycling. He has helped decontaminate seven metal-recycling facilities that unwittingly melted scrap containing radioactive isotopes.

"It's your worst nightmare," Turner said."


"In fact, the Scripps investigation found:

-- Reports are mounting that manufacturers and dealers from China, India, former Soviet bloc nations and some African countries are exporting contaminated material and goods, taking advantage of the fact that the United States has no regulations specifying what level of radioactive contamination is too much in raw materials and finished goods.Compounding the problem is the inability of U.S. agents to fully screen every one of the 24 million cargo containers arriving in the United States each year.

-- U.S. metal recyclers and scrap yards are not required by any state or federal law to check for radiation in the castoff material they collect or report it when they find some.

-- No federal agency is responsible for determining how much tainted material exists in how many consumer and other goods. No one is in charge of reporting, tracking or analyzing cases once they occur. In fact, the recent discovery of a radioactive cheese grater triggered a bureaucratic game of hot potato, with no agency taking responsibility.

-- It can be far cheaper and easier for a facility stuck with "hot" items to sell them to an unwitting manufacturer or dump them surreptitiously than to pay for proper disposal and cleaning, which can cost a plant as much as $50 million.

-- For facilities in 36 states that want to do the right thing, there is nowhere they can legally dump the contaminated stuff since the shutdown last year of a site in South Carolina, the only U.S. facility available to them for the disposal.

-- A U.S. government program to collect the worst of the castoff radioactive items has a two-year waiting list and a 9,000-item backlog -- and is fielding requests to collect an additional 2,000 newly detected items a year. "



So...How serious and widespread is this? Are we being bombarded by unwanted nuk-u-ler radiation?

Is this as severe a problem as Scripps saya?


I certainly don't want any unnecessary radioactive products in MY house.

(I worked at Hanford in the 70's...I already glow in the dark!)


OR, it is yet another case of a news media outlet finding a small tidbit and blowing things out of proportion?

I dunno, but IF it's as bad as they claim...we're DOOMED! :p
 

Hacp

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Um, radioactive material is found in our smoke detectors. My suggestion if you don't want radioactive stuff in your house; get rid of all your smoke detectors.
 

BoomerD

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um...no shit, sherlock...RTFA.
televisions also emit "dangerous levels of radiation." :roll:
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Um, radioactive material is found in our smoke detectors. My suggestion if you don't want radioactive stuff in your house; get rid of all your smoke detectors.

One can buy smoke detectors that do not require radioactive materials to operate. Also, one can be fairly sure, if one is so scientifically inclined, that the amount of radiation one is exposed to from a smoke detector is not a threat to ones health. I would not feel so similarly comfortable finding out that my new Ford had been built from steel taken from old nuclear waste drums that had been recycled because their bottoms had rotted out and were now empty and available to be crushed and smelted.

But, if there is one thing I have learned in the short sweet time we are given here, it is that a man of true cunning, ie, somebody of reasonable intelligence and totally empty of any inner self-respect, will grasp, almost intuitively, that the way to make real money in this world and without any real effort or talent, is to play upon the childhood traumatic fears of people expressed in their generalized phobic reactions to dangers that cannot be seen.

Such worthless scum, having no regard for the life of others, and concerned only for the betterment of themselves see other people as cattle to be milked and use them for that purpose, extracting money for books, cures, salves, pills, religious teachings, and all manner of other devices, designed solely for the purpose, first of terrorizing them with unseen dangers, and then later, after they have been thoroughly lathered into full blown psychosis, to offer them a cure, but, of course, a cure that will cost them dearly in the form of money.

Welp, enough for now. I'm off to buy a Geiger counter to check my computer case because, I am now quite convinced that there are moonbeams radiating out of it that threaten my mental and physical state.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
um...no shit, sherlock...RTFA.
televisions also emit "dangerous levels of radiation." :roll:

Indeed they do, but it's in the programming and especially the commercials.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoomerD
um...no shit, sherlock...RTFA.
televisions also emit "dangerous levels of toxic radiation." :roll:

Indeed they do, but it's in the programming and especially the commercials.
Fixed and BWAAAHHH!
:D

 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoomerD
um...no shit, sherlock...RTFA.
televisions also emit "dangerous levels of toxic radiation." :roll:

Indeed they do, but it's in the programming and especially the commercials.
Fixed and BWAAAHHH!
:D

I don't think I can argue against that.

The quality of TV programming (and commericals) is getting to a point where it's hard to justify buying a new set.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoomerD
um...no shit, sherlock...RTFA.
televisions also emit "dangerous levels of toxic radiation." :roll:

Indeed they do, but it's in the programming and especially the commercials.
Fixed and BWAAAHHH!
:D

I don't think I can argue against that.

The quality of TV programming (and commericals) is getting to a point where it's hard to justify buying a new set.

C'mon - you don't want to watch nothing but "reality" TV?
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

C'mon - you don't want to watch nothing but "reality" TV?


Nah, fake "reality" tv just doesn't rise to the level of being worth the electrical costs to run the tv.

Now some old Archie Bunker reruns...that's different....:p
 

techs

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

C'mon - you don't want to watch nothing but "reality" TV?


Nah, fake "reality" tv just doesn't rise to the level of being worth the electrical costs to run the tv.

Now some old Archie Bunker reruns...that's different....:p

What a meathead.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

C'mon - you don't want to watch nothing but "reality" TV?


Nah, fake "reality" tv just doesn't rise to the level of being worth the electrical costs to run the tv.

Now some old Archie Bunker reruns...that's different....:p

What a meathead.

Stifle yourself Edith!
 

Amused

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Ya know what's missing from that article? Evidence and facts.

Is the radiation so low, as to make reporting the rads the items give off not worthy? Why are we not told the levels found in various goods. Even the sensationally highest levels found?

I read the whole article waiting for that info and... nothing.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Amused
Ya know what's missing from that article? Evidence and facts.

Is the radiation so low, as to make reporting the rads the items give off not worthy? Why are we not told the levels found in various goods. Even the sensationally highest levels found?

I read the whole article waiting for that info and... nothing.


Maybe not, but I bet you left a hit on their web page they can show advertisers.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Amused
Ya know what's missing from that article? Evidence and facts.

Is the radiation so low, as to make reporting the rads the items give off not worthy? Why are we not told the levels found in various goods. Even the sensationally highest levels found?

I read the whole article waiting for that info and... nothing.

Um, because it is not yet known..."Because the amount of tainted metals in circulation is unknown, the cumulative overall health effect -- now and over time -- is impossible to calculate. Whatever it is, there is little debate that unnecessary exposure to radiation is best avoided.?


Sounds like you are complaining that unless given the exact level of a threat, you'd rather not be told at all.
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: BoomerD"In 2006 in Texas, for example, a recycling facility inadvertently created 500,000 pounds of radioactive steel byproducts after melting metal contaminated with Cesium-137, according to U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission records.

how much though. did they have a gram of Cs-137? or a pound? a ton?

I'm thinking a small amount.. which would mean they made 500 tons of very slightly above background radiation steel. perhaps less than background in some areas.


If it was a lot, just leave it in the desert for a century or two, then it will be good to go. Caesium 137 has a 30 year half life.
 

herm0016

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its probably all very low activity levels. even up to 5 rem/year over background is considered to have little to no health effects. i work with neutron and gamma sources and my exposure limit for a year is 4 rem. my dose is monitored by a dosimeter i wear at work which also follows me home, in my car etc. one of the guys i work with has been doing this stuff for 20 years back when there was not nearly as much safety concern and his lifetime dose is about 2 rem. much lower than even the yearly dose that is considered safe. his badges have followed him around for 20 years.

i don't believe we really have to worry about it. we should watch out for it,but its not a great concern.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Amused
Ya know what's missing from that article? Evidence and facts.

Is the radiation so low, as to make reporting the rads the items give off not worthy? Why are we not told the levels found in various goods. Even the sensationally highest levels found?

I read the whole article waiting for that info and... nothing.

Um, because it is not yet known..."Because the amount of tainted metals in circulation is unknown, the cumulative overall health effect -- now and over time -- is impossible to calculate. Whatever it is, there is little debate that unnecessary exposure to radiation is best avoided.?


Sounds like you are complaining that unless given the exact level of a threat, you'd rather not be told at all.

Sounds like you rather panic over vague, undefined threats than worry about real ones.

Be careful... your argument sounds an awful lot like that of one of faith.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Amused
Ya know what's missing from that article? Evidence and facts.

Is the radiation so low, as to make reporting the rads the items give off not worthy? Why are we not told the levels found in various goods. Even the sensationally highest levels found?

I read the whole article waiting for that info and... nothing.

Um, because it is not yet known..."Because the amount of tainted metals in circulation is unknown, the cumulative overall health effect -- now and over time -- is impossible to calculate. Whatever it is, there is little debate that unnecessary exposure to radiation is best avoided.?


Sounds like you are complaining that unless given the exact level of a threat, you'd rather not be told at all.

Sounds like you rather panic over vague, undefined threats than worry about real ones.

Be careful... your argument sounds an awful lot like that of one of faith.

Baloney; I want to know more about this as much as you do, and I hope that this will be fully investigated.
 

herm0016

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http://www.ludlums.com/

but meters will not pick up much with stuff with activity levels this low. there is really no way to know if you are just getting background or its from an object. background is usually around .02 mRem /hour but can vary depending on all kinds of factors. giger-muller tubes only pick up gamma rays, neutron meters are very expensive, also alpha particle need a different meter, but these particles are shielded by a sheet of paper, a few inches of air, and even your skin.

read this first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation and find out what background is in your area.
 

dawp

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Recycler Doug Kramer, owner of Los Angeles-based Kramer Metals, recounted how workers once found a radioactive object wrapped in lead and hidden in a beer keg -- presumably to keep the radiation from being detected.

That's kind of disturbing. Makes you wonder how often that happens and it wasn't found.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Welp, enough for now. I'm off to buy a Geiger counter to check my computer case because, I am now quite convinced that there are moonbeams radiating out of it that threaten my mental and physical state.

Might explain some of your posts ;)
 

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I wouldn't quite say it's my "worse nightmare" as this guy says. I can think of plenty of worse things. Coming home and seeing my family shot up ranks somewhat higher, for example.
Maybe not, but I bet you left a hit on their web page they can show advertisers.
Perhaps, but I didn't because I didn't visit it and I have the same question :0
 

KB

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We also have small levels of arsenic in our drinking water and mercury in our fish. This article does have me thinking it is just sensationalist journalism.