Recommendations on Asrock Z87 Extreme4 Aesthetics?

Belial88

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So all the z87 boards looked like crap, so i went with this asrock z87 extreme4. It was $30 cheaper, and while asrock was complete crap on z77, the $30 price drop is quite large and i just couldnt bring myself to buy the ugly red ud4h (and the ud3h wasn't on sale). It was also more neutral then the ugly gold asus boards...

So, should I go for a blue look with sleeved cables and LEDs and such, and just let the mobo sit in the background, or do you think I should go for a white sleeved cables, LED or maybe silver/grey cables/white LED to completement the board?

Bitfenix Shinobi, 280mm radiator loop (not sure if custom or h110 at the moment). Going to heavily mod the case - I'm going to cut out the cd bay and hdd bays, put the 280mm rad in the front, going to put a custom window on the side panel (i know it comes with a window, but plastic windows look like crap, going to do it right with cell cast acrylic). Will probably paint the mesh strips to match. Other components will pretty much be neutral or hidden (single ssd behind mobo panel, h60 attached to 7950, capstone, i do have blue gskill ripjaws z ram though).
 
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Smoblikat

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So all the z87 boards looked like crap, so i went with this asrock z87 extreme4. It was $30 cheaper, and while asrock was complete crap on z77, the $30 price drop is quite large and i just couldnt bring myself to buy the ugly red ud4h (and the ud3h wasn't on sale). It was also more neutral then the ugly gold asus boards...

So, should I go for a blue look with sleeved cables and LEDs and such, and just let the mobo sit in the background, or do you think I should go for a white sleeved cables, LED or maybe silver/grey cables/white LED to completement the board?

Bitfenix Shinobi, 280mm radiator loop (not sure if custom or h110 at the moment). Going to heavily mod the case - I'm going to cut out the cd bay and hdd bays, put the 280mm rad in the front, going to put a custom window on the side panel (i know it comes with a window, but plastic windows look like crap, going to do it right with cell cast acrylic). Will probably paint the mesh strips to match. Other components will pretty much be neutral or hidden (single ssd behind mobo panel, h60 attached to 7950, capstone, i do have blue gskill ripjaws z ram though).

How was ASrock crap for Z77? They made some of the best Z77/Z68 boards around.

I have a black and red theme in my system.
 

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Unless you have a window, no need to match components
He mentioned he gonna have a window.

Not sure what you are looking for, but both ud4h and extreme4 are decent looking boards, so you rather choose. But I have to say there is no something as ulgy mobo, but if there is something ugly you will be having in your system are ripjaws, no matter how good they are the G.skill just installs so retarded heatsinks on memory that I'd rather replace them for something else, or get a different ram altogether.
 

Belial88

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Unless you have a window, no need to match components

Read the OP you moron. I said I was putting a window on the case. Not to mention my shinobi is the windowed version (although I'm throwing out the window because like the window on any case that comes with a window, it's cheap, tinted black plastic that looks like crap).

How was ASrock crap for Z77? They made some of the best Z77/Z68 boards around.

I have a black and red theme in my system.

i... i dont know if you lived under a rock or just have no idea how motherboards work, it's common knowledge asrock sucked on z77. Asrock on P67/Z68 was actually extremely good (conversely, Gigabyte actually sucked on P67/Z68, not for hardware reasons but for firmware issues that plagued them).

First off, Asrock, like MSi, uses analogue PWMs in a time where digital VRMs are becoming high enough quality to be as fast as analogue. Secondly, they used D-PAK mosfets that only did ~15A extremely inefficiently. For example, on the Asrock Extreme4, which was their worst board (relative to price), they jumped on the phase count bandwagon.

What they did was advertise their board as 'awesome, it has 12 phases!' - when in reality, it was just a 6+1+6 phase board. But hey, that's still okay, 6 phases is a lot, right? Well, they linked the phases, instead of using a doubler, so instead of each phase being doubled, it was just the 2 phases joined together, which is a lot more inefficient (and no cheaper) than running a single higher quality phase, like Gigabyte did with their boards. So in reality, it was more like a 3+1 phase board.

So 3 phases, linked, with 15A mosfets, that's basically 30A per channel on extremely inefficient mosfets, let's say that's 30x3=90A rating. Compare that to Gigabyte, who on the Z77X-UD3H, used 60A mosfets that ran extremely efficiently, on a digital VRM. That's 60x4=240A for a similarly priced board.

This is fairly common knowledge... Furthermore, Asrock Z77 on all of their boards, report voltage incorrectly. Now that is true for every motherboard, the voltage reading is merely an average reported to you, that ignores both the peaks and valleys of the voltage waveform. But Asrock outright lies in their voltage read-outs, being a good .06-.12v below the true voltage rating, whereas most boards are at least within .05v of the voltage read-out.

Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1360404/asrock-z77-extreme-4-vcore-reading/0_100
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...4-ASRock-Z77-Extreme4-amp-Z77-Extreme6-Review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oB0dm2-nfpc
http://www.overclock.net/t/1349216/is-asrock-really-cheating-us-on-software-voltage-readings/0_100
overclockers.ru noted this as well.

You can google any half decent VRM or mosfet guide, and just look at the extreme4's VRM and know better. The Z77 Extreme6 used decent components, not better than the UD5H, not even close, but it was an analogue PWM and inaccurately reported vcore, as that's a software issue (as well as hardware).

I've been checking out the VRM on the Asrock Z87 Extreme4, this time they at least have low rds on, but I'm not sure what brand they are using or the specs on the low side mosfets.
 

Belial88

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Anyways I'm not sure what's going on with the posts I'm getting here....

plain and simple, what is a better aesthetic for the Asrock boards (specifically, the asrock z87 extreme4, but every asrock board is the same poop colored low quality PCB, black components, gold/yellow detail), going with blue LEDs and blue extensions and blue components and just ignoring the mobo, or some sort of silver/white cables/components to complement the mobo?

Here's an image of a guy with an asrock board, and just ignores it and goes blue:
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This is the closest I could come up with in regardes to asrock + white/grey/silver:
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I'll also be using an H110(cpu) and an h60(gpu mod) in my case. I have blue gskill ripjaws x, but I can always replace or paint the heatspreaders. everything else is neutral. I'm going to be ripping out the hdd/cd bays to fit the h110 in the front of my bitfenix shinobi. Also will put in a window, and seriously considering a second window for my ssd (not sure which side panel i'll put the ssd window, im thinking of cutting a smaller-than-the-ssd cut-out, put a small piece of acrylic window there, then put the ssd behind it.

I'm planning on painting the mesh strips, and taking out the shinobi logo and replacing just a piece of translucent paper there with an LED behind it, and using custom heatshrinkless paracord sleeving. My question is, do I go with blue or white/grey/chromish for a color scheme?
 

Belial88

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simple solution, going to exchange my asrock extreme4 for a ud3h lol.

Very confusingly, Microcenter's current Z87 pricing line-up on their promotion and website pages, do NOT include the $40 motherboard discount, but in the past it DID include it... so the ud3h is a $40 cheaper than I thought it was.

A bit frustrating to have to drive all the way back up, but thank god i can ditch this board. I've been able to identify the mosfets on the Asrock Z87 Extreme4 as renessa powerpaks, which are crap too. not as bad as before, but not nearly as good as gigabyte 's offering (or asus) at the same price point.

asrock boards are just awful...
 

Belial88

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Or just rude. :thumbsdown::rolleyes:

A sure sign of an idiot is someone who has a problem with the messenger rather than the message.

i cant tell if your trolling or serious...

I already provided a million sources. I don't know if you live under a rock or what, it's common knowledge that Asrock's z77 line-up was terrible, and it's beginning to look like their Z87 line-up is pretty bad too.

Although VRM isn't as important as it was on Z77, relatively as it's still 99% of what makes a motherboard, and asrock isn't nearly as bad on z87 as they were on z77)... Just look at the mosfets they are using. On Z77 they used a 3 legged, with the middle leg short, mosfet - this means no low rds on, which is a basic property of modern mosfets (as in, they got outdated on AM3 and LGA1366 old). They still use analogue PWMs.

If you know anything about VRMs, all you have to do is just look at their VRM and see they use low quality parts... you don't need anyone telling you that.

I went with the asrock z87 originally because i thought they would've improved their quality after the outrage that occurred over their z77 boards, and go back to the quality they were known for on P67/Z68 (literally, their p67 boards are higher quality and more modern than their Z77). But alas, they decided not to and just use powerpaks... pretty dissapointing.
 

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So in your world its OK to call someone in a thread and idiot and in another one of your posts in another thread asking if they are retarded? That's rude. I don't have any issue with the message, I think you make some interesting points but your message is diluted when you resort to uncalled for insults. IMO .

David
 
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Smoblikat

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Or just rude. :thumbsdown::rolleyes:

i cant tell if your trolling or serious...

I think its a combination of trolling and being rude........

Also, why ask us what we think on asthetics? Thats a completely subjective question and can only be answered by yourself.

A sure sign of an idiot is someone who has a problem with the messenger rather than the message.



I already provided a million sources. I don't know if you live under a rock or what, it's common knowledge that Asrock's z77 line-up was terrible, and it's beginning to look like their Z87 line-up is pretty bad too.

Although VRM isn't as important as it was on Z77, relatively as it's still 99% of what makes a motherboard, and asrock isn't nearly as bad on z87 as they were on z77)... Just look at the mosfets they are using. On Z77 they used a 3 legged, with the middle leg short, mosfet - this means no low rds on, which is a basic property of modern mosfets (as in, they got outdated on AM3 and LGA1366 old). They still use analogue PWMs.

If you know anything about VRMs, all you have to do is just look at their VRM and see they use low quality parts... you don't need anyone telling you that.

I went with the asrock z87 originally because i thought they would've improved their quality after the outrage that occurred over their z77 boards, and go back to the quality they were known for on P67/Z68 (literally, their p67 boards are higher quality and more modern than their Z77). But alas, they decided not to and just use powerpaks... pretty dissapointing.

If VRM's are the only thing that matters, then why do you bother buying any other part of the motherboard? Just buy a few VRM's from ebay and save yourself some cash.
 
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AdamK47

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#1 rule to posting on Internet forums: Control your online personality.

Negativity towards others will only focus the attention on you and not the subject you're posting about. This post is no exception.
 

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am I the only one who thinks the ban hammer needs to be swung? all he is doing is trashing asrock, and whoever disagrees is insulted. If you look at actual use scenarios for z77 asrock boards, they were great, I've had my 3570k at 4.6ghz for months now on a pro3 z75 board, basically bottom of the line overclocking board, nothing has gone wrong and there are no signs of anything going wrong in the future, so if this is how good low end asrocks are, I can only imagine how good the higher end ones are.
 

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am I the only one who thinks the ban hammer needs to be swung? all he is doing is trashing asrock, and whoever disagrees is insulted. If you look at actual use scenarios for z77 asrock boards, they were great, I've had my 3570k at 4.6ghz for months now on a pro3 z75 board, basically bottom of the line overclocking board, nothing has gone wrong and there are no signs of anything going wrong in the future, so if this is how good low end asrocks are, I can only imagine how good the higher end ones are.

I agree, ive owned the Z68 E3G3, the Z77 E4, and now my Z77 E11 :D

Ive used their AMD ones countless times.
 

Belial88

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So in your world its OK to call someone in a thread and idiot and in another one of your posts in another thread asking if they are retarded? That's rude. I don't have any issue with the message, I think you make some interesting points but your message is diluted when you resort to uncalled for insults. IMO .

David

Point taken, I was out of line.

all he is doing is trashing asrock, and whoever disagrees is insulted. If you look at actual use scenarios for z77 asrock boards, they were great, I've had my 3570k at 4.6ghz for months now on a pro3 z75 board, basically bottom of the line overclocking board, nothing has gone wrong and there are no signs of anything going wrong in the future, so if this is how good low end asrocks are, I can only imagine how good the higher end ones are.

All I see is a fanboy?

As I clearly stated, Asrock was the king of P67 and Z68, and the only company I've come close to 'endorsing', Gigabyte, was a hot mess on P67/Z68 (and while they were the best on Z77, the first few people who bought Gigabyte when Z77 first came out after the p67/z68 fiascos had to be... well, either oblivious or gamblers).

Actual use scenarios for motherboards is the VRM... if you bought an Extreme4, and it was 'good enough' for your overclock, than all that means is you wasted your money and would've been better off buying a motherboard for half the cost, like a Biostar Tz77A or Asus LK/LE series boards.

When you get down to it, all of the Z77 boards will 'work'. That's not the issue. The issue is that compared to the competitive offerings, Asrock (and MSi for that matter) were absolutely terrible on Z77. Did the boards work? Sure. Could you do a moderate overclock? Sure.

But could you overclock your RAM? Not really, total lack of RAM timing controls compared to other boards. Could you do a high end overclock? Hell no, your Asrock Extreme4 would overheat well before your UD3H would or even your CPU would (on a decent cooler).

Also, a large part of motherboard quality is how long it lasts. Literally, a motherboard is 99% just like a power supply - with mosfets rated at 10,000 hours on 25*C (seriously? no vrm runs at 25*C....and official ratings are always generous), your Asrock Extreme4 is going to die when your UD3H or Asus LK is going to have a good 5+ more years of a harsh overclock left in it.

But the problem with the Extreme4, is you are talking a price range of the UD3H and Asus LE - boards that have done world record LN2 overclocks, and 3ghz+ RAM overclocks with a ton of sub-timing options, boards with voltage contact points and actually report semi-accurate voltage readings in software... while the Extreme4 underreports voltage over 0.1v, and literally will overheat on a higher end air overclock, and will struggle to push higher RAM clocks...

Total waste of money. If the Extreme4 'worked', then the UD3H or Asus or Biostar boards would shine, and boards for almost half the price would 'work' just as well. For a moderate overclock, sure, the Extreme4 would be okay if you are okay pumping .1v higher than you realize and having higher case temps because of a significantly hotter running VRM and a board that will have half the lifespan of it's competitors, but you just wasted a ton of money buying a board with similar quality to board's half it's price.

You are talking about a board that uses the same kind of analogue PWM and no low rds on mosfets that the MSI Z77A-G41 had, the board that goes on sale for $19 at microcenter and is without a doubt the worst motherboard of all (it overheats and whines at just 1.25v, I have one, but hey $19 is okay for that quality, $100+ is not)...

I've had my 3570k at 4.6ghz for months now on a pro3 z75 board, basically bottom of the line overclocking board, nothing has gone wrong and there are no signs of anything going wrong in the future, so if this is how good low end asrocks are, I can only imagine how good the higher end ones are.

Exactly. Sure, for a mild 4.6ghz, an Extreme4 will do fine, a Pro3 will do fine. And honestly, if all you are doing is pushing 4.6ghz on the cooler running i5 (vs i7), an Asrock Pro3 or MSI Z77A-G41/43 is a perfectly acceptable board (although they are generally priced terribly, for just ~30% more you could get a board light years ahead in quality, except for $19 g41's).

The problem though, is people like you going around saying 'well i can do 4.6ghz on my extreme4, so it must be a good board'. No. It's not. A motherboard can limit your overclock just as much as your CPU and your heatsink will. A board like the Extreme4 is going to overheat on voltages above ~1.4v, which requires at least high end air to cool, and a chip good enough to warrant 1.4v+.

It's a matter of infinitely better boards for the same price, similar quality for way less. Why don't you just buy a Phenom x4 if 'good enough' is all you want? Because we want to spend our money wisely, we want the best we can buy. There was nothing 'good' about low end asrock on z77, your asrock will die when gigabytes and asus and biostars still have tons of life left, it's just a matter of the components used.

And the problem is that the Extreme4 used the same components as the Pro series boards. Now the Extreme6 was a decent board in quality (as well as higher than that) on Z77.... but they weren't nearly as good, still, as the competitive offerings (ie the Extreme6 is slightly lower quality than the UD3H or Asus P8Z77-V LE, much less the UD5H, UP4TH, Asus P8Z77-V...).

By the way, I used my asrock extreme4 z87, and got a gigabyte ud3h. The difference is night and day, the extreme4 underreported voltages by about .04v on a mild overclock (only had an h60 to test, h110 isnt in yet and didn't delid yet), and got to over 60C on just 1.3v, while my ud3h I cannot get to go over 50 no matter what so far.
 

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when I buy a board, looks are secondary or lower. it more important to have a stable reliable system than to bling it out.

I currently don't have a window but have had one in the past and the same held true then.
 

Belial88

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when I buy a board, looks are secondary or lower. it more important to have a stable reliable system than to bling it out.

I currently don't have a window but have had one in the past and the same held true then.

Well 99.99% of board quality is the VRM. A motherboard is literally a power supply to your CPU, just like a power supply is a power supply.. to, er, your motherboard and components/peripherals. PSU just takes the 120/240v from your wall and makes it 12v, to which your motherboard turns into .9-1.9v for your cpu, ~1v for your vtt and imc, ~1.5-1.9v for your RAM, etc, etc, etc. What do you think is harder to do, turn 120v into ~11.5-12.5v or 12.5v into 1.50000v that is constantly changing and spiking based on varying software needs at the same time as controlling 20-30 other various fine-tuned voltages that, if is too high or low, or too unstable, will cause the system to blow?

The problem is that most people don't realize this, and when they search for motherboards they look based on color, based on how many USB sockets it has, how many SATA ports it has, what video connections it has, which are just entirely useless to the vast majority of users. You don't buy a power supply based on the color, or how many sata ports it has (a few do, but the vast majority don't, not to mention, just like with mobos, there's adaptors for almost anything).

On the flip side, most people don't push their boards at all, so something like color might as well be all they shop for. But the problem is that these kinds of users spend $150+ for boards like the Extreme4 when they should be searching for $50-80 boards like the Pro3 or G41 or D3HP instead.

So you got people who buy mustangs, drive them like civics, and claim they are lamborghinis.
 

john3850

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Sadly too many new Wannabe overclockers coming here.
With the lower tdp over the the last few years the vrm count doesnt mean what it did when Nehalem came out.
Even my cheap Pro3-68 with 2500k could run at 5000MHz.
These K chips took the fun out of overclocking and gave intel control of your oc.
 

Belial88

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Sadly too many people who have no clue what they are talking about?

VRM is not just about avoiding blowing out your motherboard. First off, a board with higher quality VRMs is simply going to last much, much longer. Now maybe I don't get my parents to buy my computer hardware like some people, but I expect my hardware to last (even if I flip it in 2 months, I expect it to be in good condition even though I do 24/7 computational analysis).

Secondly, and very importantly to people like myself who do cryptocoin mining on their main rigs, energy efficiency is important. Just as a power supply can be rated to be 80% efficient, or 90% efficient, so too a motherboard. Why would you use an Asrock Z77 Extreme4 with worse than 70% efficiency, when you can use a Gigabyte with well over 90% efficiency on extreme loads? The energy savings alone is quite substantial (in terms of price difference of motherboards) if you run 24/7 cpu intensive programs like I do.

Third, inefficieny = wasted heat. Mosfets are rated for how much waste they give off (among other things) - a mosfet that is taking in 100w and only giving 80w to the CPU, is going to expel 20w as heat (or even worse, in the case of motherboards like the Extreme4, a couple watts in sound, ie choke whine). That heat goes to your system.

Even delidded, Ivy and Haswell can run extremely hot if you push a higher overclock on it. My i7-3770K at 5ghz@1.55v consumed well over 200w - and that was AFTER it went through the VRM, with a UD5H my board still consumed a good 220-230w, which is still above 86% efficiency, but an Extreme4 is going to consume more like 280w from the motherboard (which in turn is 80-90% efficient from the psu/wall...). I don't need my CPU temps to go up exponentially because of increased case temperatures from a hot VRM. The difference in a VRM that's 70-80C like an Extreme4 will be at 1.5v, and a UD3H which will do it at 60C, will result in a good 5*C+ temp increase on your CPU (of course, depends on cooler, water loops a bit less affected).

Finally, yea, you DO need a good VRM. Low range boards like the MSI Z77A-G41, for example, would overheat on near stock voltage, ie with a ~4.6ghz overclock on ~1.25v, my VRMs on the board got over 80*C! That's generally around when you hear coil whine... and yea, I heard LOTS of coil whine on that board. 90C+ is when you risk long term damage to the board due to PCB browning, but 80C+ is when you suffer serious performance degradation on the CPU - you need increased voltage to do the same thing, voltage is less stable and less clean, you got more ripple and noise... all bad things.

A mid-range board like a UD3H is going to hit a very toasty 60-70C on a high air overclock of 5ghz@1.5v+, god forbid you need more voltage or have a custom water loop and actually justify the expense by utilizing it and pushing 1.55v+. An Extreme4, on the other hand, is simply going to overheat at ~1.4v+, making the board only capable of a moderate ambient overclock - which is enough for most people, but again, why are you paying premium prices for a crappy board?

Even my cheap Pro3-68 with 2500k could run at 5000MHz.

Could you give a little more information before making useless comments? What voltage? For how long? Was it 24+ hours prime95 stable or just gaming stabled? What were the VRM temps? What was your power consumption? How efficient was the VRM running?

See, this is the problem. People say dumb things because they have no clue what they are talking about, when in reality their chip ran hotter because case temps were a good 10-20*C higher, their power consumption and thus powerbill was higher and thus would've just saved money after a year buying a better board (which often isn't even more expensive, in the case of boards like MSI or Asrock on Z77 or Biostar on P67).

Don't forget - higher temperatures alone, result in higher power consumption. All things equal, a chip running ~5ghz@1.5v, is going to consume a good 10-20w+ if it's just 10*C hotter. Just 20w on it's own, on average, will cost you $20 a year. How long do you use your computer?

So what, you say, $60 after 3 years isn't too much. No, but the point is why buy a Pro3 for $80 when you can get a Ud3H for only $40 more, and which is also going to run your RAM and northbridge more efficiently, you are going to be able to tweak your ram much more, you are going to be able to push higher overclocks (even with a bad chip, you can push more voltage, more overclock, provided you got a good enough cooler).

TLDR: Yes, VRM matters, it still matters. Power efficiency will matter no matter how 'cool' you think a chip runs, Ivy Bridge easily could surpass 200w+ overclocked (my i7-4770k was well over 230w on an air overclock) so don't tell me that they run 'cool' these days, why buy a crappy board when a superior board is the same price - BUY SMART, NOT EXPENSIVE.

Now in the grand scheme of things, your cpu or gpu choice makes a bigger difference, sure. But just like your heatsink, just like your CPU binning, a motherboard can limit you just as much. And lower end boards and some mid-range boards WILL NOT be able to handle a mid-range or higher overclock, plain and simple. They will overheat, causing increased ambient and cpu temps, less efficiency, higher power consumption, and in some cases get so hot that they throttle your overclock (ie all low end boards, most mid-range boards).

This is all a motherboard is about. Literally. For the same reason it would be stupid to buy $100+ power supplies if you don't push your system that hard, or to buy a crappy $100+ power supply instead of a higher quality one, its stupid to buy a bad motherboard. The extreme4 is a perfect example of terrible engineering, and aiming for marketing instead of actual usage. They wanted to play the phase count war, instead of make a quality VRM.
 

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Oh and derp, I forgot the 2nd most important reason why Asrock Z77 sucks - they underreport voltage by over .1v! This is why crappy review sites (cough) championed the Asrock series boards as being able to do the same X overclock on less voltage, when in reality Asrock boards just underreport it. This isn't limited to a single board, literally every board Asrock has does this, as vcore read-outs are never an accurate readings, they are just an average.... but asrock's average is clearly fudged up.

Go ahead, use a multimeter. Oh wait, god forbid we actually check out the board before recommending it to other people over better products! So your 1.29v overclock is actually hitting a max voltage much closer to 1.4v than 1.29v. As in, not just your peak voltage, which you will never see (it happens in nanoseconds as a wavelength), we are talking your *averaged* peak voltage, ie what you'd see as a top voltage in a DMM or what you are *supposed* to see in your software read-outs.

Most boards are generally off by ~0.02-.05, but only extremely low quality boards, and all asrock boards, are off by over .05v, much less .1v!

WC-3770k-77 Extreme4-47k=1.296v-830s-5970-2x8 VLP@2000-U2412-Haf932.

yea no wonder lol. For some reason people take it as a personal attack if you point out well known, established facts about why a product is bad that they own. So what, I've bought tons of stuff that was second rate compared to the competition.

But having a custom loop on just a 1.29v overclock with an extreme4 sounds like a huge waste of money. You could've done the exact same overclock on a $20 MSI Z77A-G41 and a Coolermaster Hyper 212+ (your motherboard will be the 'bottleneck' but if all you are doing is 1.29v then the z77a-g41 will just barely stay under 90C in a cool room).

Then you go around saying your board is awesome, when in reality you just wasted a ton of money on a cooler you don't utilize any more than a hyper 212+ or a motherboard you don't push any more than a 3+1 analogue phase with nikos.

Yea, try a 5ghz@1.45v overclock, and your board will have coil whine and overheat to 100C+ easily. Your CPU will still run cool (assuming you delidded, if you didn't delid you might be warm depending on your loop), but in your system your motherboard is the weak link in the chain. God forbid you actually utilize your water cooling and push 1.55v+, your extreme4 will just blow up.

I don't even want to think about the side effects like how much more energy consumption your PC consumes due to running so much more inefficiently (and if you do any sort of computer analysis work this'll really bite you in the butt, which I assume you do since you have an i7 over i5), how your chip is running with way more voltage than a comparable board, and the increased heat.

Common Asrock issue, and it looks like it's holding true on asrock true:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1360404/asrock-z77-extreme-4-vcore-reading/0_100

Just google "asrock false voltage' i mean jeez, how do you buy a board without googling it?
https://www.google.com/search?q=asr...7l2j0j59j60l2.5397j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2308760

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0dm2-nfpc
 

T_Yamamoto

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People can do whatever they want with their money. ASRock boards are held high at this forum.
 

Belial88

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asrock was the best on p67 and z68. The problem is people become fanboys instead of objectively evaluating the quality of one board or another, and trust bad reviews.

This is all common knowledge, there's tons of search results on all of this and just using a multimeter or looking at the dang board would tell you all of this. I guess it's just not common knowledge on this forum, and people would rather not learn.
 

aigomorla

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I thought i would pop in as the thread is getting hostile.

However i kinda see both parties at fault.

1. U guys arent helping him in giving him what he wants in information.
I applaud you Yamamoto for trying to give him alternatives, but its like talking to a brick wall. The OP is set at what he wants.

2. I feel the same in regards to motherboards as the OP.
I always use solid mosfets, boards need to be beefy.
So i understand the OP, and his somewhat fustration at not getting answers.

So this will be just a light warning... please keep it social.
If you dont have anything the OP is asking for, dont post.
It seems like the OP doesnt want alternatives.

Otherwise Best of luck to you OP.
You possibly may need to go into the enthusiast tier to get the board quality ur looking for. LGA2011.

CC Moderator Aigo
 

john3850

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Before the intel K cpus came out I would agree with you 100% on mb power phases.
To me asrock is just a cheap relible mb.
Because the Pro3 is a simple backup pc and only used a few days a week by my wife for a large outlook excel database I bought it.
If I had a intel or amd 6 core I would go with better board.