I've got an Alpine 60 watt CD player. CD text, changer control, XM radio (big woop), lots of audio controls, 3 pre-outs, and the sound quality of Alpine. The 60 watt max is about 28rms. Their amps used the same technology and were 35 watts, so they had to bump those up b/c a hu of theirs was approaching that. Granted its not as good as a true amp, but for $350 you get a great sounding hu with more power that any out there. Perfect for people who don't want to go for an amp.