Recommend: internet/equipment/software etc for wifi internet in coffee house

rocadelpunk

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Hey, I have some questions on what people would recommend for setting up a free wifi service in a coffee house.

#users---- Maximum of 30 ---would supply computers themselves

Goal: Offer free wireless internet --- keep it to within store's customers (not necessarily purchasers, but someone within the confines --- have it so they won't just come in and use the internet all day (time countdown?) --- limit use to basic surfing/forums/youtube...no peer to peer/torrents/gaming --- keep everybody's computer *seperate* from other people's computers

1.) Internet?
1 or 2x - Cable Modem Business Class?
T-1?

2.) Equipment needed?
Servers/point of sale/routers/switches/power supplies?

3.) Software needed?


Results: What would be most reliable route? Cheapest? Mix of the two? Easiest to implement?


Thanks very much for your time.
 

kzrssk

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How would you determine who gets access or not? Would you print out a coupon on the receipt that they enter?
 

JackMDS

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rocadelpunk. You can Bump forever, to seriously answer your elaborate questions one has to write a book rather than a Forum post.

Do research, get the basis, and come with few focused questions, than you probably would find here help.

 

rocadelpunk

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Originally posted by: JackMDS
rocadelpunk. You can Bump forever, to seriously answer your elaborate questions one has to write a book rather than a Forum post.

Do research, get the basis, and come with few focused questions, than you probably would find here help.

Thanks for advice...I guess i'm not really sure where to start though haha.

I guess I was hoping someone might have actually setup some such thing or similar endevour.

 

vorgusa

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umm if you want a setup then try a computer router using programs like IPCop and ClarkConnect on an old computer and use a WAP that can seperate users, I think a Dlink business one will do that. And make sure to keep track of logs of users and MAC addresses for security purposes.. The clarkconnect can stop Torrent applications and might even be able to keep people from seeing each other if you want to use a cheaper accecss point. Not sure how you would control where the signal goes
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
Originally posted by: JackMDS
rocadelpunk. You can Bump forever, to seriously answer your elaborate questions one has to write a book rather than a Forum post.

Do research, get the basis, and come with few focused questions, than you probably would find here help.

Thanks for advice...I guess i'm not really sure where to start though haha.

I guess I was hoping someone might have actually setup some such thing or similar endevour.

I've done tons of them. But you're asking a very open ended question.

D-link has all in one routers that take care of all of this in one box.
 

JiveMiguel

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Regarding this question:
1.) Internet?
1 or 2x - Cable Modem Business Class?
T-1?

Here are my two cents:
Since you don't want to charge your customers for the privilege, don't even think about a T1. The cheapest I've seen them is something like $299 / month, and for that price I'd bet the customer service would be non-existent. Go with a business class or even a consumer class cable connection, with at least a 5mbps download speed. Hopefully you have that option in your area.

 

zig3695

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i think legally he will have to use a business connection of some type. youre not supposed to use residential connections for commercial businesses. the IP providers dont like you cheating, and if something were to happen they might try to fault it on you. i say this because they have asked my dad questions about using his home cable internet at his shop right next door for his business. he pretty much told them to go **** themselves. but business cable internet should be less then $100 a month, so it shouldnt break you by doing it right.
 

marulee

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Get a Hot Spot Gateway designed to segment public and private network infrastructure, so you can control the hours. Cheers!
 

acaeti

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Hello,

As some other posters have noted it is difficult to describe an ideal setup for this situation in just a forum post but I'll give it a shot.

Very briefly:

-Get a business class cable modem connection
-Get a Buffalo wifi router
-Get an old computer to run linux backend services on
-Setup Chillispot and phpMyPrepaid to run your service
-Sell service or just hand out free codes as you like for shop customers (writing one on a chalkboard daily works well)

First things first, start reading up on DD-WRT:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/

Consider getting a Buffalo WHR-G125 router - see DD-WRT's site, it has a description in the first news post. Buffalo routers feature good performance for the money. You will flash this device with DD-WRT. The DD-WRT wiki has detailed instructions

You can use the Buffalo router with a linux machine to setup Chillispot.

Here is a very basic howto for this procedure:

http://www.howtoforge.com/wifi_hotspot_setup

It should give you enough information so that you can use your Google skills to figure out the rest. There may be better howto's out there.

I would recommend Ubuntu Linux and an older desktop you can bury somewhere in the back of the shop. Even a crap $100-off-of-craigslist pc will do the job, say P3, 512MB RAM (be nice to yourself) minimum. Or your local University may have a surplus sales program (UW-Madison near me has one with tons of deals - I use their surplus for non-profits all of the time). Ubuntu is easy to setup from a graphical installer and installing all the stuff from the howto is easy.


Onto your list of goals:

1.) Free wifi - use mysqlprepaid to setup a code for each day - write code on chalkboard. Or setup a ton of codes and use a label printer or something else to print them out and give them to each customer so that paying customers get to use internet

2.) Keep within store or so - use the ack timing feature of DD-WRT. It is a number that tells the AP the maximum distance in meters to provide service (the hotspot figures out the distance with fancy math). Be liberal, as it is not exact - a good value is perhaps 30 or so, depending on the size of the place.

3.) Use prepaid to put a timeout on codes

4.) To limit to basic browsing, all you really have to do is keep them inside some sort of firewall - bittorrent and the like don't work as well behind NAT firewalls, so it shouldn't be terrible. You can do a lot more if you put some research into iptables, which runs on the hotspot itself. If you feel really special you can investigate traffic shaping using tc and IMQ devices using linux but that is an advanced topic.

5.) To keep wifi users separate use dd-wrt's "ap isolation" feature - this will keep people from being able to communicate with each other's computers, but they will still be able to access the Internet just fine.

And your list of questions:

1.) I would recommend a business class cable modem, something like 5M/1M should be more than sufficient, and if you get problems look into tc and IMQ. There are lots of people out there using this stuff, writing howtos, and posting forum questions and getting answers. The DD-WRT forums are really great.

2.) You will need a server (see above), an ap (see above), a switch and maybe a second wired router for your cable modem. Or you can plug your cable modem right into the DD-WRT-ized ap.

3.) You will need to brush up on DD-WRT, get Ubuntu linux and do a lot of googling, but trust me, you will be able to do it with just a little effort.

Cheers