Recommend a beater

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My wife got a new job (substantial pay increase yay!) and will need to take our jeep to work. I'll need a car for a literal .5 mile trip to drop off the kids to school (I work in the evening, the family car will be back by then). We're hugely terrified of turning good fortune into a huge loan (we did that in our 20s and our credit took years to rebuild) so we just want to pay cash for a no-drama A-B car. Suggestions? I love hatcbacks or wagons, though a sedan would work.

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incredibly satisfied owner of a 2008 saturn vue hybrid. Picked it up yesterday and, for $2675, am incredibly pleased - short so easy to park (180 inches, shorter than modern jetta's), great gas mileage at least over the 70 mile drive home (oldie but the hybrid system appears to be functioning properly), and shockingly clean interior for the price. I'd be fine if a transmission repair or other major is around the corner, I'd still be ahead in my mind. Parts are cheap too. MPG is rated at 32 highway, we were stuck in a lot of manhattan traffic and averaged closer to 25. Still, our 4x4 jeep gets 12. Handsome exterior with modern interior (we're throwing in a $200 backup cam/carplay head unt this week). There seems to be a lot out there selling for way under KBB - recommended.
 

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skull

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At half a mile can't they walk? If they are that young walk with them.
 

mindless1

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Depends on budget, how picky you are, how mechanically inclined, whether your area has salted winter roads so rust (vs age) is a major consideration.

The easy answer is a Toyota Corolla, but they hold their resale value fairly well so other good options (depending on how much of a rush you're in) would be to have the money ready to pounce, on any cherries you find instead of fixating on a specific make/model.

Garage kept, low mileage, private owner sale, all maintenance records, passes carfax and mechanic inspection (if paying more than a certain amount), that you jump on right away because a good vehicle at a good price will be picked up by resellers that you are literally in a race against the moment the vehicle is posted for sale.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a vehicle with much value to be capable of a 0.5mi trip, just has to be safe and if it breaks down, you (and the children) are within walking distance of home and school. Heh, back in the day the kids would just walk to school if it's only a (few) mile or less.

Wagons pretty much went out of style due to SUVs, will be very old or a rare model, seller's market unless it's something like a PT Cruiser. Don't get a Chrysler (anything). There's mid-2000's Volvo, Subaru, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, but these are all either holding resale value well enough they could hardly be called beaters (you'd get newer with fewer miles in a sedan of a different brand) or fairly expensive to repair, possibly even needing many special tools to do so.

Since SUVs replaced most (affordable TCO) wagons over the past 20 years, that would be the easier route to get a beater hatchback. What about a RAV4 or Ford Escape? The lower fuel economy vs a sedan will hardly be an issue driving 0.5mi at a time.
 
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Depends on budget, how picky you are, how mechanically inclined, whether your area has salted winter roads so rust (vs age) is a major consideration.

The easy answer is a Toyota Corolla, but they hold their resale value fairly well so other good options (depending on how much of a rush you're in) would be to have the money ready to pounce, on any cherries you find instead of fixating on a specific make/model.

Garage kept, low mileage, private owner sale, all maintenance records, passes carfax and mechanic inspection (if paying more than a certain amount), that you jump on right away because a good vehicle at a good price will be picked up by resellers that you are literally in a race against the moment the vehicle is posted for sale.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a vehicle with much value to be capable of a 0.5mi trip, just has to be safe and if it breaks down, you (and the children) are within walking distance of home and school. Heh, back in the day the kids would just walk to school if it's only a (few) mile or less.

Wagons pretty much went out of style due to SUVs, will be very old or a rare model, seller's market unless it's something like a PT Cruiser. Don't get a Chrysler (anything). There's mid-2000's Volvo, Subaru, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, but these are all either holding resale value well enough they could hardly be called beaters (you'd get newer with fewer miles in a sedan of a different brand) or fairly expensive to repair, possibly even needing many special tools to do so.

Since SUVs replaced most (affordable TCO) wagons over the past 20 years, that would be the easier route to get a beater hatchback. What about a RAV4 or Ford Escape? The lower fuel economy vs a sedan will hardly be an issue driving 0.5mi at a time.

Solid advice, appreciate it. How old is too old? i found a great mechanic who has been reliable and affordable, so I understand I'd be spending money on wear and tear parts, but where do you draw the line? You're right on the garaged/loved cars - saw a 1999 camry that could be new, the leather's so luminous i could hardly believe it's pushing 20 years
 

mindless1

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Still depends on budget. Some people will prefer to spend more up front to increase the odds of more time till an expensive repair, or to get XYZ technology that came after a certain model year redesign, like more air bags, traction control, backup camera, or an infotainment center or whatever, BUT these are all things that can break and increase repair costs, as can many other technologies like electric steering, electric water pump, adaptive suspension, power lift gates, etc., especially if it is the first couple model years this new tech was deployed so they don't have all the bugs worked out yet.

If you're paying someone else to fix it, I draw the line at 150K mi, "maybe" 200K if both the engine and tranny are bulletproof, not even having upper intake manifold gasket issues, providing the timing chain (or even more so the belt if so equipped) has been changed in the last few dozen thousand miles. Depends on the vehicle, some timing chains last past 200K. If you check out multiple specimens of the same model, same engine, you will get an idea what sounds noisy like there's more wear, except anyone can just put thicker oil in to quiet a car down for a sale.

# years, depends on rust level and how warped interior plastic, how grayed exterior trim, how brittle the headliner foam, etc, anything that wears from light, water, oxygen regardless of mileage. I'd go for an older vehicle "beater" over 14 years old if it's 1 owner, garage kept, low mileage, especially if they're getting rid of it for certain reasons such as death in the family (more cars than drivers), too old (bad eyesight/health/etc) to keep driving, or want something smaller if gas prices recently rose a lot, but less this last reason because if they're driving that much, it's going to have a lot of miles on it or else that was just an excuse/lie. You can assume the seller will tell you the best reason they can come up with, assuming a private sale - I would never pay the premium to get a beater from a dealer.

I especially don't like buying from someone middle aged or younger who is scruffy looking and just seems to need the cash, as this probably means they lacked cash and concern for maintenance and repairs too. I also don't like buying from someone who hasn't owned it long. If a car is 10+ years old it wouldn't necessarily be unusual for there to be more than one owner but if the seller has only had it for a year or less, something is up with that.

In other words you don't want to be near one or more expected $1K+ repairs, might as well put that money towards something a year newer and have everything a year newer, and average mileage that much less too, but again it depends on budget and finding a cherry rather than taking on someone's problem that caused them to sell it.

You could make a short-medium sized list and research those vehicles, which engines in each are more prone to issues, transmissions too, and at about what mileage. Some like Honda, seem like reliable vehicles yet you still may end up with a $2000+ transmission bill sooner than later on something old enough to be a beater, unless it's a manual tranny. As above if you get your heart set on a Honda I would sooner spend $2k more for something newer with fewer miles.

Then there is that true-beater buyer, who wants to spend under $2k and that might suit your purposes to drive a mile at a time because you're putting so few miles on it that even if it has a major repair needed in the next 10K miles, it might be several years before you put 10K mi. on it... at 5 miles/day that's over 5 years, and if the vehicle is very low value (paid in cash not a loan) then you don't need to carry comprehensive insurance on it, saving even more. I just wouldn't drive a long distance in a vehicle depreciated that low, like not further than the cash in my pocket (or a credit card) could reasonably pay for a tow.

Ultimately if you're going to pay a mechanic to repair it, the lowest total cost of ownership is going to be with the most mechanically simple sedan you can find, with a non-turbo, I4 engine, and manual or traditional auto tranny, not CVT. Unfortunately many vehicles in recent years don't even have a tranny fluid dipstick so you can't check the fluid condition without invasive procedures - maybe a mechanic will do it if you pay for an inspection for a vehicle valuable enough to spend money on that.

Then again you should still LIKE the vehicle. Life is too short to drive every day in something you hate. The last angle I can think of is that this is a child transport, so a good crash test rating but especially being larger is safer in a real world vehicle-vehicle accident.
 
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I was going to say LS 430 but I checked out of curiosity and the prices have gone up quite bit. You used to be able to find a good one for around $5000 but now the ones without outrageous mileage are $7000-$8000 or more.
 

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The ideal would be a "mechanic's special" -- a vehicle pre-owned by your own mechanic, or someone of that occupation who seems up front about what he has done to the vehicle, and what it needs.

But matching any possibilities of that kind with the make and model that suits the exigencies of your lifestyle, circumstances or needs would be hard or even unlikely.
 

Kaido

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Nissan Leaf:

1. It's electric. Only ~80 mile range on the base/older models, but for a 1/2-mile commute, why not?

2. Super reliable. Not as many parts to go wrong as gas vehicles have. My buddy has put 100k miles on his so far. Only replaced tires & wipers along the way. Just ridiculous.

3. Pretty reasonably priced used. Lots for sale in my area for under $12k with under 30k miles (ex. 2016 model with ~22k miles for ~$12k). There are lots for sale in the $6k to $9k range in my area. Older models aren't a super big deal because of the lifespan of the vehicle. I see a lot of 2012-era models for around $8k.

Drive home. Plug it in. Voila.
 
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Wow, thank you for the thoughtful replies. I figured I was being too vague to get real answers so I'll clarify. I was being vague because I don't think I deserve the luxury of choice, but let's view these as preferences, I'm really not hardline about anything

1. The goal is to use it for 6 months while we continue to shape up our financial situation and paid down some debt then trade it in for say a 2010-14 volvo. To be frank we borrowed some from our parents and want to make returning that the priority, so driving around with a new lease would be in bad form.

2. We live in the city - street parking, no plugs, etc.

3. Budget: $3,000 and I don't have to think twice, $5,000 is doable

4. I like comfort, a nice ride, and ability to get into small parking spots (within reason, I'm a big guy and looked ridiculous getting into and out of my beater tiburon)

5. I like hatchbacks and wagons because I'm the errands guy during the day, groceries, supplies from home depot for home projects

6. I expect no more than 20 miles a week use, I *MAY* occassionally need to got into work to do paperwork, which is a 10 mile round trip commute. But most of the time I work from home and at night (when the jeep will be back)

7. my strange dream car - german wagons. I like the way they look and the comfort, having owned a e320 it was a mistake because of the costly repairs, especially electrical system. i wonder if i went even older (say a 90s model), would i avoid some of the over complicated computer based wiring that's hella expensive to fix? I'd be happy with a subaru or a suzuki even. it's not the badge that i care about, it's comfort. heck, the kia amanti looks lovely, and i don't care if the soccer moms snicker, i want comfy (not sporty, etc.)
 

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Wow, thank you for the thoughtful replies. I figured I was being too vague to get real answers so I'll clarify. I was being vague because I don't think I deserve the luxury of choice, but let's view these as preferences, I'm really not hardline about anything

1. The goal is to use it for 6 months while we continue to shape up our financial situation and paid down some debt then trade it in for say a 2010-14 volvo. To be frank we borrowed some from our parents and want to make returning that the priority, so driving around with a new lease would be in bad form.

2. We live in the city - street parking, no plugs, etc.

3. Budget: $3,000 and I don't have to think twice, $5,000 is doable

4. I like comfort, a nice ride, and ability to get into small parking spots (within reason, I'm a big guy and looked ridiculous getting into and out of my beater tiburon)

5. I like hatchbacks and wagons because I'm the errands guy during the day, groceries, supplies from home depot for home projects

6. I expect no more than 20 miles a week use, I *MAY* occassionally need to got into work to do paperwork, which is a 10 mile round trip commute. But most of the time I work from home and at night (when the jeep will be back)

7. my strange dream car - german wagons. I like the way they look and the comfort, having owned a e320 it was a mistake because of the costly repairs, especially electrical system. i wonder if i went even older (say a 90s model), would i avoid some of the over complicated computer based wiring that's hella expensive to fix? I'd be happy with a subaru or a suzuki even. it's not the badge that i care about, it's comfort. heck, the kia amanti looks lovely, and i don't care if the soccer moms snicker, i want comfy (not sporty, etc.)

Two questions:

1. Do you like stick?

2. Do you live in an area with snow?

https://jalopnik.com/at-2-600-could-this-high-mileage-1994-jeep-cherokee-4-1836408367
 

ondma

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I would suggest Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. Our family has a 2005 Civic, and while not exciting or fancy, is still going strong (knock on wood) at 150,000 miles. Only repairs in that time other than routine maintenance were a starter motor and a throttle position sensor. We also live in the snow belt, the car was parked on the street and rarely washed, and still has minimal rust, at least visible on the body.

Edit: amazingly, it still has the original exhaust and rear brakes.
 

thedarkwolf

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The correct answer is PONTIAC VIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Vibe is a Toyota Matrix or in other words a Toyota Corolla wagon with used prices more in line with Pontiacs.

Or if you don't care about gas mileage because you aren't driving enough to worry about it a Ford Crown Victoria. They are dirt cheap in every single way and super reliable.

But honestly for 6 months and not really being driven meh doesn't really matter what you get as long as it is in decent shape.
 
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I would suggest Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. Our family has a 2005 Civic, and while not exciting or fancy, is still going strong (knock on wood) at 150,000 miles. Only repairs in that time other than routine maintenance were a starter motor and a throttle position sensor. We also live in the snow belt, the car was parked on the street and rarely washed, and still has minimal rust, at least visible on the body.

Edit: amazingly, it still has the original exhaust and rear brakes.
Ding ding ding, this is a correct answer.

Although based on my interpretation of the OP, the wifey should be driving around the commuter car with excellent fuel mileage while he runs short trips/errands with the Jeep.
 
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Thanks guys - considering the civic/corolla/matrix/vibe. You guys are also right, my wife will likely get the one with the best MPG
 

Scarpozzi

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How old/big are the kids? I ask because my kids would struggle fitting in half the cars out there with their huge car seats.
 

Jimzz

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Look for Corollas 2005+. They are very basic cars but if taken care of reliable. They also drop in value pretty quick once they hit around 8years/60k+.

Hyundai Elantras, and Kia brother, are also good cars that drop in value but are reliable. Look at 2007+ in those.
 

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4DR Integra GSR is one of the best beaters out there. Quicker than the Civic and those B-series motors never die.

Good luck finding a decently clean one though; people tend to ruin them with dumb mods.
 

pauldun170

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A Corolla is super cheap to buy and maintain and has the bonus of being fairly roomy inside compared to other cars in that class.
3K-4K should be able to get you a 2008. The 1.8 has a timing chain vs a comparable Hyundai. With Corollas, it really doesn't matter too much. They are super cheap to own and I'd recommend a older Corolla over a older Civic any day if you just need cheap transportation that will serve family hauling duty. Insurance should be cheap as well.

If you go civic, try and stick with 2006 and newer.

Hyundai - If you are considering one, MAKE SURE THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE HAS BEEN FOLLOWED and that the mileage of the car you are looking at isn't close to a major service interval.
 

NutBucket

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How cheap is cheap? You can get a Leaf for under $10k which would be perfect for short trips AND is mechanically simple as heck.