Recognititon of Jewish State for renewed Moratorium

[JEDIYoda]

its not recognition of a state, its recognition of a JEWISH only state.

You should know better than that!
It s-pecifically says Jews and non-Jews....
It is NOT talking about recognition for a Jews only state!

As Freshgeardude stated --
Did YOU even read the OP?


Israel wants recognition to be known as a jewish state.

that doesnt mean ONLY jewish.

In israel's declaration of statehood, they said they were a jewish state.

this has been said since the beginning.

If I didn`t know better I would say Routan and Lemon law are the same person!
The way they misinterpret stuff and they way they like to make stuff up on the fly....
If they are not one and the same people they sure have the same supplier of mushrooms....

 

[JEDIYoda]

First of all I note that the settlement freeze offer extends to only the West Bank and not to East Jerusalem.

Second, I can imagine the Palestinians recognizing the Israeli State's right to exist as part of a final settlement, but I doubt anyone on the Arab or Palestinian side would recognize Israel as a Jewish religious State. -- did you read the article?? Nowhere does it say a Jewish religious state....soes it??

Third, Netanyuhu has only said he would try to sell the idea to his cabinet and failing that, Netanyuhu is only offering vaporware and not a hard and well defined deal. And since the offer is now vague and not well defined, we must somewhat assume that Israel will later try to put in other restrictive clauses to sweeten the deal for Israel. -- you have to start somewhere and this is better than nothing..


Fourth, I don't see Netanyuhu offering to recognize Hamas. Nor has he recognized Abbas, or anyone else the recognition to deal for the Palestinian people. -- you always want to try to flip this around......Hamas has no issues about being recognized....show me where Hamas is crying about Israel not recognizing them....
Yet israel does recognize hamas as a terrorist organization!


Fifth, since the USA is the official broker of the talks, and the USA is also consulting with other international entities, we have yet to get feedback from any of them yet.
You will get no feedback so don`t hold your breath....we in your case go ahead and hold your breath...rofl..hahaha

But only time will tell if the deal will ever even partially get off the ground. But judging by the initial reaction, its too little too late as time ticks down to 10/27/10.

Well you know the Palestinians want Israel to give them whatever they want. When the Palesnians cannot even control theit own government or the other fringe groups.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freshgeardude
Did YOU even read the OP?


Israel wants recognition to be known as a jewish state.

that doesnt mean ONLY jewish.


In israel's declaration of statehood, they said they were a jewish state.

this has been said since the beginning.

Freshgeardude, I see where we have a misunderstanding. I say "Jewish only" meaning recognizing Israel as a Jewish state as a land for Jewish people, not for the Arabs, or non-Jews.

You say its NOT only for the Jews, but also for the Arabs.

Then I dont understand why there is a need to be recognized as Jewish State at all, if it is a land for Jews and Arabs?

As I understand it, every Jew in the world can come live in Israel. Why not Arabs? Pure religious bias?

Why would Arabs want to live in a non - religious state? -- are you that dense?

Your doing what you do best mis-interpret what has been said!
With your flawed reasoning.....
Almost the entire Arab world has refused to recognize Israel`s right to exist.
Prove me wrong....
That is what this is about....
Israel`s right to exist as a Jewish state for the Jews and also for the non - Jews.-- you did read that in the article?You talk about religious bias.....how? If I am a Catholic or a protestant or a muslim - I can practice my religion.

But there is a need to keep the Jewish bloodlines from being watered down.

I personally have no problems with a Jew marrying a non - Jew. Or a Black marring a white...But you must remember this is NOT America which for a long time has been called a melting pot!

 

[Lemon law]

I note this thread was started sourced by a far earlier link, but now a later NYT link reveals what Paul Harvey called the rest of the story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/world/middleeast/12mideast.html?ref=global-home

Because at the same time Netayuhu is rolling out what amounts to an ill defined gambit, he is pushing laws that will both hog tie him and all future Israeli leaders and make trading land for peace impossible. Because not only must any negotiated settlement be approved by over 50 % of the Israeli legislature, it must be also be approved by a popular vote majority unless 2/3 or the Knesset approved the treaty. Meanwhile Israel has apparently fully and unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem somewhere in the fast shuffle.

The fact that Israel is not the internationally recognized owner of Gaza, The West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan heights and other disputed territories does not seem to bother Israel, because this new Law would still cover them.

I believe there is a Yiddish word for this kind of Netanyuhu bullshit and that is chuzpah.

And now you know the rest of the Netanyuhu story and why his offer should go in the garbage can. Because Netanyuhu is still playing only to his Israeli bat shit crazy settler parties
supporters.

 

[iGas]

But there is a need to keep the Jewish bloodlines from being watered down.

Since when a religion is a blood line?

And who will be the Untermensch?

And if this is true then, it is okay for the German to have an Aryan race, Black would still be slave in America, and India with its caste system is the perfect society in your twisted "Aryan~Jew" ideology.

What Israel & your propose is to go backward into non democratic secular society like the secular Islamic societies that you love to hate.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Since when a religion is a blood line?

It`s the same as many years ago Catholics would not even think of marrying a Protesrtant.
Same thing applies here.

Yet there is a difference in calling yourself a Jew and being Jewish.

Yet at the same time there are many people who believe that Jews must marry jews because as a people we are so small and it would bge very easy to throw the Jewish heritage aside due to marrying out side our race. It is possible to dilute bloodlines.
To the point where they don`t exist as being purely catholic or purely italian or purely swahili.

The word "Jewish" in my opinion is a word that can be related to thr jewish religion of Judaism or it is also a word that can be used to describe a group of people.

 

[iGas]

It`s the same as many years ago Catholics would not even think of marrying a Protesrtant.
Same thing applies here.

Yet there is a difference in calling yourself a Jew and being Jewish.

Yet at the same time there are many people who believe that Jews must marry jews because as a people we are so small and it would bge very easy to throw the Jewish heritage aside due to marrying out side our race. It is possible to dilute bloodlines.[/b]
To the point where they don`t exist as being purely catholic or purely italian or purely swahili.

The word "Jewish" in my opinion is a word that can be related to thr jewish religion of Judaism or it is also a word that can be used to describe a group of people.

Sound like you support Apartheid, and you and the rest of the right wing nutjobs should understand that you are the rotten seeds that ruined it for all moderate Jews.

PS. People that follow the Judaism faith != to race, unless you have rewritten the dictionary.

I'm now can call myself an Atheist race, while my mother can call herself Roman Catholic race.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sound like you support Apartheid, and you and the rest of the right wing nutjobs should understand that you are the rotten seeds that ruined it for all moderate Jews.-- Sounds like you don`t read very well!
I didn`t say anything about aparthied. This is not about aparthied at all.
Many peoples families throughout the world, whether they are right or wrong feel that since the family as a whole is Catholic they want their children to marry Catholic...whats wrong with that?
Many Protestant families want their children to marry Protestant....again whats wrong with that?
Many family from different countries want their children to marry a person from that country...nothing wrong with that..is there?
Doesn`t sound like apartheid to me.
Where is the autrocities and where is the wrong with people doing that?
yet at the same time these people respect and have friends who might be a different religion or a different race. Doesn`t sound like aparthied to me...

Do you know the definition of aparthied??
An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
The condition of being separated from others; segregation.
Show me the harm in people desiring to marry or even associate with people of just there race? You can`t!!

But there is something wrong when this is carried over into descrimination and forced segregation such as the american blacks endured.......now we have a totally seperate issue.

As long as people don`t carry things to such extremes that they belittle and purposely hurt others, where is the wrong in say an Italian family only marrying Italians? Or baptists only marrying baptists...etc....
the harm comes when you are of such a mind as to purposely deny people there rights or you purposely hurt people!

PS. People that follow the Judaism faith != to race, unless you have rewritten the dictionary.-- no you follow Judaism to race.
I know of many non - practicing Jews who are Catholic, athiests and still call themselves Jews and an identification with other people who are Jew...not as an identification of a religion!
I'm now can call myself an Atheist race, while my mother can call herself Roman Catholic race.-- totally ignorant comment!

nice try though...

 

[Lemon law]

JediYoda says but but but I didn't say anything about apartheid while endorsing the apartheid policies of the State of Israel.

Then tries to wriggle out by saying, "Many peoples families throughout the world, whether they are right or wrong feel that since the family as a whole is Catholic they want their children to marry Catholic...whats wrong with that?
Many Protestant families want their children to marry Protestant....again whats wrong with that?
Many family from different countries want their children to marry a person from that country...nothing wrong with that..is there?"

Earth to JediY,there is nothing wrong with a wanting your children to marry within your religion, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING EVIL AND APARTHEID TO MAKING IT A LAW OF THE STATE.

In short JEDIY, Israel is an apartheid state, you advocate Israel's apartheid policies, and if the shoe fits wear it. But first you must pry your foot out of your mouth.

 

[routan]

Why would Arabs want to live in a non - religious state? -- are you that dense?

Your doing what you do best mis-interpret what has been said!
With your flawed reasoning.....
Almost the entire Arab world has refused to recognize Israel`s right to exist.
Prove me wrong....
That is what this is about....
Israel`s right to exist as a Jewish state for the Jews and also for the non - Jews.--you did read that in the article?You talk about religious bias.....how? If I am a Catholic or a protestant or a muslim - I can practice my religion.

But there is a need to keep the Jewish bloodlines from being watered down.

I personally have no problems with a Jew marrying a non - Jew. Or a Black marring a white...But you must remember this is NOT America which for a long time has been called a melting pot!

JEDIYoda, what? I dont understand that bolded line?