reccomend a good cheap 3d card to couple with a k6-2 450 :)

[acidvoodoo]

i'm basiclly doin this to have good driver support for win xp(currently got a dieing V3), and slightly because i'm sure i would see a slight performance increase. and i know i should be able to get a card for around $60. i'm only looking for 3d performance, i don't mind about 2d

 

[angusrice]

Go with a Geforce 2 GTS-V (newegg for $46, last I checked) or a 32mb TNT2 ($25 or so). The k6-2 isn't a very powerful processor, so anything above the GF2 would likely be wasted.

 

[Peter]

... and you need a card that has a low power consumption, since your old board probably won't be able to feed the fast ones.

I'd say shop for a Radeon 7500LE, SiS 315, or similar midrange or low power cards. As a rule of thumb, anything with a fan on might be asking too much.

regards, Peter

 

[spanky]

k6-2's and voodoo3's go hand in hand

 

[acidvoodoo]

<< k6-2's and voodoo3's go hand in hand >>



lol can't say the same about V3s an XP :S

peter, is what u said kinda explaining why when i tried to put a radeon 8500 le in this machine it would not boot?


so would i see a good performance increase with like a PCI G2 MX, or would the 33mhz pci thing be a another bottleneck

 

[Peter]

8500LE is certainly drawing way too much power.

PCI cards aren't hampered much by the 33-MHz-ness of the bus they're on. You can use AGP cards - just mind the power issue, aim lower (as you would have to on PCI, same limitation). Radeon 7500LE or SiS 315 give you a current, full featured 3D engine with decent speed, TV-out and even DVI and/or multi-head capabilities if you please.

Geforce 2 MX certainly fits the power budget, yet the MX series are considerably slower than their non-MX counterparts.

regards, peter

 

[sandorski]

You need to find out what kind of vidcard your mobo/chipset will support first, some SS7 mobos won't work with 32mb vidcards. Which pretty much eliminates anything current.

 

[acidvoodoo]

FIC super socket 7 VA 503+, with the apollo MVP3 chipset i believe

 

[spanky]

a tnt2 ultra should play nicely with ur k6 cpu

 

[NEWKILLA]

k6-2-450--diamond ultra 770 lil booger mulches through most games you throw at it

a super rig--NO----adequate for gaming--- hell yea

killla

 

[Instagib]

<< a tnt2 ultra should play nicely with ur k6 cpu >>

 

[Peter]

sandorski, that (again...) is a POWER issue, not a question of how much memory is on the card.

regards, Peter

 

[sandorski]

Peter: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure, no personal experience just heard that it's an issue, that some SS7 mobos won't accept 32mb vidcards. Perhaps it's power related, but the question would be, can it be solved?

 

[Marrkks]

I have a epox mb with a mvp3 chipset on it and had a radeon VE 32mb vid card. never any problems with it. I wouldn't recomend it for gaming but the 32mb thing shouldn't be a problem.

 

[spanky]

<< i'm only looking for 3d performance, i don't mind about 2d >>



thats tnt2 ultra all summed up in one statment

 

[holdencommodore]

I have a GF2 MX200 on my K6-2 300 (Shuttle HOT-591P MVP3 chipset). I get 1200 3d marks in 3d mark 2000, and around 450 3d marks in 3d mark 2001... it's just adequate. Fine for 2d stuff though.

Cheers

 

[Peter]

sandorski, no cure other than a SERIOUS hardware hack, and that only on ATX boards. All BAT boards, and quite a few ATX, create the 3.3V power for the AGP slot from the +5V rail using onboard voltage regulators. If they're too weak for high performance cards, no way around it. There have been folks who cut the traces and used the +3.3V rail from the ATX power supply unit directly, but this is nothing I'd recommend doing. Too much risk of frying something expensive.

regards, Peter

 

[RobsTV]

Yes some SS7. and even Intel LX motherboards, had problems with power requirement of AGP cards.
That FIC 503+ and the 503A do not have these problems however.
What is strange is that in boards that have problems, they also had the power problem using V3 3000 AGP.
The GF2 series cards actually use less power than the V3 3k AGP, and the original TNT2 or GeForce cards.

Still have an old FIC K6-2 system with a Voodoo 3 2k that the kid uses.
Had a couple FIC SS7's in the old days....

As a gamer, I tried many different solutions to get the K6 to work, as the V3 3k in my machine wouldn't cut it.
The only upgrade that was worth it was going from V3 3k AGP to GF2 MX. Nascar Racing 4 was my goal.
In all games, picture quality was improved. In the worst games, fps speed with the MX was at least the
same as the V3, even if the V3 used Glide. In the best games, like N4, framerates doubled even at higher
resolutions. The other thing the MX now allowed was the ability to run games that required a 32 bit 3d card,
such as Links LS and Myst III. Sure, at 32 bit the resolution and quality needs to be turned down, but at least
with the MX you can run these games using 3d hardware, which is something you can not do with a V3.
Also note that if using GF2 cards with SS7, you must use older nvidia drivers (6.27? or 7.58) or performance will be worse than V3

Don't know what CPU you have in that FIC, but for around $30 (TigerDirect yuck), you can get a K6-2+ 450 that will run at 600MHz.

3dm2k (not 3dm2k1se) numbers (all default):
k6-2+ 450@600
V3 3000 AGP scores 1698
GF2 MX using newer 10.xx drivers scores 1246
GF2 MX using drivers 7.58, scores 3221 at 175/166, or 3458 at 190/200

Nascar Racing 4
Voodoo3 3k AGP 800x600 = 16fps (all options down or off)
Voodoo3 3k AGP 640x480 = 21fps (all options down or off)
GF2 MX D3D HAL 1024x768x16 = 24fps (some options on, and image quality up a little)
GF2 MX D3D HAL 800x600x16 = 27fps (some options on, and image quality up a little)


GF2 MX200 is slowest GF2 type card.
A GF2 MX is faster then a GF2 MX200.
GF2 MX 400 is faster still.
GF2 GTS comes next.
Then GF2 GTS-V tops out the very low end stuff.
For $50, the GF2 GTS-V seems like the best bet, as it could go into a 1GHz machine later and still perform somewhat.

 

[Priit]

Peter, you seem to know pretty much about SS7 platvorm and it's problems with video cards, thanks for info. I'd like to ask some more questions (sorry for stealing the thread): what are typical symptoms of under-powered AGP card (other than no POST)? I have had quite many video cards in my K6 rig and I had weird problems with GF2 MX: during the 3D rendering (AGP traffic), sound from (SBLive) sndcard got totally disorted. I always thougt that was SBLive+MVP3 issue but maybe I was wrong. When using TnT1, Ati Rage Pro or Ati Rage Fury MAXX, sound (and everything else) was OK. Later, Matrox G450 also ran without problems, but then there was no SBLive in machine.