Rebel XTi and 18-55mm lens

callmesteve

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Sorry I know I must sound like a total newb, but I just bought a Rebel XTi with lens starter kit, the 18-55mm one. I was wondering if you guys can link me to a good lens filter? I figured I would need one of those and I honestly have NO idea where to start.

I'm new to the whole Digital SLR thing, and was wondering if I needed anything else? I purchased a lowepro bag, extra battery is on its way, and an 8GB CF card.

Thanks AT!
 

alfa147x

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UV, haze, and protection filters: Think of UV, haze, and protection filters as lens insurance. The filters are often left in place at all times to protect the camera lens from dust, moisture, and scratches. As for affecting your film, UV filters (often called skylight) absorb the ultraviolet rays that can hinder the quality of your outdoor photographs.
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Polarizing filters: Polarizing filters reduce reflections from the sun and other polarized light sources. Make sure to choose the appropriate type. Autofocus cameras call for circular polarizing filters, while linear polarizing filters usually suit manual focus cameras.
*

Contrast and color correction filters: Contrast and color correction filters permit more light of a specific color to pass to the film. For example, a yellow filter, which is a very popular choice with photographers shooting in black and white, increases the yellow light (while reducing the rest of the spectrum), which increases the contrast between clouds and the sky. Each filter is color-specific to give you control for enhancing your photographs. The most popular are yellow camera filters, green camera filters, orange camera filters, and red camera filters.
*

Digital camera filters: Most digital cameras feature controls, such as ?white balance,? which may deliver equivalent effects and corrections otherwise achieved with a filter. What?s more, with digital-imaging software, you have the ability to add effects and perform corrections post-production. Still, you may want to use digital camera filters for polarizing, special effects, light balancing, or simply to protect a valuable lens.
*

Color conversion filters:Use color conversion filters (or color temperature filters) to produce cooling and warming effects with color film. Cooling filters are blue. Warming filters are a pale yellow.
*

Fluorescent filters: Several filter types perform light balancing to correct for unnatural lighting, such as overhead fluorescent lights.
*

Special effects:produce special effects by using filters such as starburst filters, diffusion filters, soft focus filters, mist/fog filters, and special color effects filters.
*

Infrared filters: Used primarily for surveillance and science applications, infrared filters transmit light that is only detected with UV film.
*Neutral density filters: Get a neutral density filter if you plan to shoot long exposures by daylight. This type of filter is very useful for shooting subjects such as snow, sand, or other bright scenes.

Manufacturing camera filters

Camera filters may be laminated, sandwiched, or made of colored resin or glass.

*Laminated: The filtration is laminated onto a piece of glass or resin.
*Sandwiched: The filtration is sandwiched between two pieces of resin or glass. Polarizing filters are made with this technique.
* Glass: The filtration material is mixed into molten glass or resin. The finished product can be cut into extremely thin filters


well I normally just buy a cheap one from WolfCamera or even cheaper ebay but I am on a low budget so .....
 

pyonir

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Personally? I'd save your money and put it towards a new lens. I got the 20D kit when i got my cam, and i've used the 18-55 less than a handful of times as the image quality is poor at 18 or 55, IMO of course.

That said...you'll probably want to go with a UV filter...and what to get depends entirely on your budget.
 

cparker

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You really don't need a filter. If you are concerned about protecting your lens get a UV filter. They sell them for 10-20 dollars at Amazon with makes such as Canon or Tiffen. But with that lens I'd opt for no filter and just get a microfiber cloth to keep the lens clean as necessary. And I agree that it would be better to apply the 15 bucks or so towards a "plastic fantastic" 50 mm 1.8 lens to complement the kit lens for available light shots. And don't knock the kit lens. It's perfectly fine for what it is and a great way to learn photography with, particularly when complemented with the 50mm 1.8.

Have fun!!!!

P.S. I have a rebel xt with the kit lens and the plastic fantastic and they are a great combo.
 

ElFenix

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for just that lens i wouldn't bother with a filter. a b+w or heliopan filter costs more than what it does.
 

callmesteve

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Thanks for the tip guys. So I bought the plastic fantastic at Amazon. Cost me a little under $80 which is coming soon. I also bought Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8. I heard it was a great lens to have. This actually just arrived today and I'm having a blast.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but you guys have any other lenses that you may want to recommend? I'm also thinking of getting the SpeedLite 430 as my flash.
 

callmesteve

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Oh just to clarify my last comment, do you guys have any lenses under $500 that you may want to recommend?

So far I have:
Kit lens Canon 18-55mm
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II
Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8

Anything you guys can think of that I'm lacking that I can include for a newb with approx $500 left give or take a 100, and how importantly you guys regard the SpeedLite compared to (forgot the word buying) another lens. Man AT is always so helpful :)
 
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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Thanks for the tip guys. So I bought the plastic fantastic at Amazon. Cost me a little under $80 which is coming soon. I also bought Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8. I heard it was a great lens to have. This actually just arrived today and I'm having a blast.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but you guys have any other lenses that you may want to recommend? I'm also thinking of getting the SpeedLite 430 as my flash.

I have the same Tamron lens. I love it.

The flash is a good idea; you may also want to consider some kind of better wide-angle lens (something between 10 and 30mm).
 

callmesteve

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10 and 30mm you say? Hrm... looking into it now! What do you think about the SpeedLite430? Is there anything else that you may recommend? How much of an improvement is this flash compared to the built in one? Do I really need a flash? I obviously need all the help I can get haha
 
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Originally posted by: callmesteve
10 and 30mm you say? Hrm... looking into it now! What do you think about the SpeedLite430? Is there anything else that you may recommend? How much of an improvement is this flash compared to the built in one? Do I really need a flash? I obviously need all the help I can get haha

Not necessarily 10 and 30mm lenses, just something in there, such as the Sigma 10-20mm or the Tamron 17-35 (which I have; it's okay), or some other wide-angle.

I can't say anything specifically about the SpeedLite as I don't actually own one yet, but I think I'm getting one for Christmas (keeping my fingers crossed) - I do wish I had one though since the built-in flash of the XT is pitiful.
 

callmesteve

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Thanks again for the quick reply. Can I ask you a nub question though. What exactly do these wide angle lenses do? I Wikipedia-ed it... and ended up feeling stupid.

And I agree, that built in flash is horrible. I'm thinking of putting something over it to lighten the blast.

But one more lens and the flash are probably going to be my last two purchases for the time being.

Thanks Brainonska511!
 

callmesteve

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Originally posted by: alfa147x

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UV, haze, and protection filters: Think of UV, haze, and protection filters as lens insurance. The filters are often left in place at all times to protect the camera lens from dust, moisture, and scratches. As for affecting your film, UV filters (often called skylight) absorb the ultraviolet rays that can hinder the quality of your outdoor photographs.
*

Polarizing filters: Polarizing filters reduce reflections from the sun and other polarized light sources. Make sure to choose the appropriate type. Autofocus cameras call for circular polarizing filters, while linear polarizing filters usually suit manual focus cameras.
*

Contrast and color correction filters: Contrast and color correction filters permit more light of a specific color to pass to the film. For example, a yellow filter, which is a very popular choice with photographers shooting in black and white, increases the yellow light (while reducing the rest of the spectrum), which increases the contrast between clouds and the sky. Each filter is color-specific to give you control for enhancing your photographs. The most popular are yellow camera filters, green camera filters, orange camera filters, and red camera filters.
*

Digital camera filters: Most digital cameras feature controls, such as ?white balance,? which may deliver equivalent effects and corrections otherwise achieved with a filter. What?s more, with digital-imaging software, you have the ability to add effects and perform corrections post-production. Still, you may want to use digital camera filters for polarizing, special effects, light balancing, or simply to protect a valuable lens.
*

Color conversion filters:Use color conversion filters (or color temperature filters) to produce cooling and warming effects with color film. Cooling filters are blue. Warming filters are a pale yellow.
*

Fluorescent filters: Several filter types perform light balancing to correct for unnatural lighting, such as overhead fluorescent lights.
*

Special effects:produce special effects by using filters such as starburst filters, diffusion filters, soft focus filters, mist/fog filters, and special color effects filters.
*

Infrared filters: Used primarily for surveillance and science applications, infrared filters transmit light that is only detected with UV film.
*Neutral density filters: Get a neutral density filter if you plan to shoot long exposures by daylight. This type of filter is very useful for shooting subjects such as snow, sand, or other bright scenes.

Manufacturing camera filters

Camera filters may be laminated, sandwiched, or made of colored resin or glass.

*Laminated: The filtration is laminated onto a piece of glass or resin.
*Sandwiched: The filtration is sandwiched between two pieces of resin or glass. Polarizing filters are made with this technique.
* Glass: The filtration material is mixed into molten glass or resin. The finished product can be cut into extremely thin filters


well I normally just buy a cheap one from WolfCamera or even cheaper ebay but I am on a low budget so .....

Thanks for the read! Was a little too overwhelmed in the beginning to read it, but that was great. I think I'll get the Tiffen 67mm for the Tamron I just bought. They have this 3 pack for like $50. I'll consider it, insurance :)
 
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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Thanks again for the quick reply. Can I ask you a nub question though. What exactly do these wide angle lenses do? I Wikipedia-ed it... and ended up feeling stupid.

And I agree, that built in flash is horrible. I'm thinking of putting something over it to lighten the blast.

But one more lens and the flash are probably going to be my last two purchases for the time being.

Thanks Brainonska511!

Wide-angle let's you capture a larger field, especially noticeable when you are closer to something - particularly when you can't back up.

Just an example or two to show situations where a wide-angle is good (plus general landscape photography):
I shot this with my 17-35 Tamron f/2.8-4 at 17mm on my XT:
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...RockefellerChapel2.jpg
-Where I was standing, I wouldn't have been able to get that picture with my Tamron 28-75 f/2.8, and I couldn't back up any further because of people walking back and forth on the sidewalk and trees behind me.
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...%20Campus/IMG_5322.jpg
This one was also shot at 17mm.
 

callmesteve

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Brainoska511, you make me happy haha. Alrighty so right now its a decision between the Tamron / Sigma. Unless there's a comparable Canon lens. *scratches head* brb going to do some more research.

Thanks!
 
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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Brainoska511, you make me happy haha. Alrighty so right now its a decision between the Tamron / Sigma. Unless there's a comparable Canon lens. *scratches head* brb going to do some more research.

Thanks!

Just to put my thoughts out there, the Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4 is okay. In a way, I wish I went with a different lens, but I didn't have the money to come up with something better. But I haven't used that lens too much either, so that could be tainting my view.
 

callmesteve

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Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.
 

kalster

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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8
 

callmesteve

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Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8

Hey Kalster, sorry if I sound stupid, but what exactly is a "sharp copy"?
 

kalster

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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8

Hey Kalster, sorry if I sound stupid, but what exactly is a "sharp copy"?

tamron's have/had some quality control issues, i know some people have had to exchange multiple copies to get a copy of the tamron 17-50 that was sharp (and didnt have front or back focus issues)

when i used to have 1, it was my first copy and was pretty sharp
 
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Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8

Hey Kalster, sorry if I sound stupid, but what exactly is a "sharp copy"?

Sharper pictures (don't look blurred when at a wide-open aperture) where as a not-so-sharp copy would look "soft" (as if it wasn't perfectly focused) when wide-open.
 

montanafan

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I have the Speedlite 430EX and it's a big help at times because the built-in flash is so lousy.
 

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Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8

Hey Kalster, sorry if I sound stupid, but what exactly is a "sharp copy"?

tamron's have/had some quality control issues, i know some people have had to exchange multiple copies to get a copy of the tamron 17-50 that was sharp (and didnt have front or back focus issues)

when i used to have 1, it was my first copy and was pretty sharp

Tamron arguably has a better reputation that Sigma (its main 3rd party rival). I ordered a Tamron 17-50 from B&H, and realized it was very soft after I shot a cousin's wedding. :roll: I then went to Penn Camera and tested the three tamron 17-50's they had in stock and picked the best one. I have been greatly enjoying the lens for the past 6 months now without many problems!
 

callmesteve

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: callmesteve
Hrm, this one lens is a little out of my budget but is very very tempting. Trying to see if I can justify a hundred or so extra for it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L

Once again, still doing research. Thanks though for your help! I appreciate it tremendously.

i think for the rebel tamron 17-50 is better value (provided you get a sharp copy), constant 2.8

Hey Kalster, sorry if I sound stupid, but what exactly is a "sharp copy"?

tamron's have/had some quality control issues, i know some people have had to exchange multiple copies to get a copy of the tamron 17-50 that was sharp (and didnt have front or back focus issues)

when i used to have 1, it was my first copy and was pretty sharp

Tamron arguably has a better reputation that Sigma (its main 3rd party rival). I ordered a Tamron 17-50 from B&H, and realized it was very soft after I shot a cousin's wedding. :roll: I then went to Penn Camera and tested the three tamron 17-50's they had in stock and picked the best one. I have been greatly enjoying the lens for the past 6 months now without many problems!

Hrm... if I'm reading your post correctly, then I'm a bit disturbed at the fact that all the lenses aren't of the same grade. Do these places let you try out all the lenses before you buy them? Also got me thinking, is it bad for me to buy the lenses online? I say this because it kinda sounds like I might get banged over the head. Glass is a quite expensive investment, I'd hate to get owned. Also, whats a good test for "sharpness"?

Maybe I should create a new thread or something :p

Thanks again guys, you're input has been invaluable!