Reasons people of color are shot by Police...

[buckshot24]

That's why I didn't direct that comment at you.

You did say "you guys". Sorry if I was confused.

 

[WelshBloke]

I pointed that out to him. Blacks are disproportionately killed by cops but they are killing cops at about the same disproportionate level.

I probably missed it in the thread but how many police in the US were shot and killed by suspects in 2015?

 

[Blackjack200]

I probably missed it in the thread but how many police in the US were shot and killed by suspects in 2015?

Buckshot posted the link

Above 40% of felonious police deaths from 2004 to 2013 were black assailants.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u..._race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2004-2013.xls

Which pretty much lines up with the number of black people killed by police as a percentage.

For some reason it stops at 2013, but the answer is usually 50-60 a year, but can be as few as 40 and as many as 80.

Edit: Just realized you were looking for 2015, it looks like 2014 is the most recent year with stats: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/officers-feloniously-killed for 2014 it was 51 officers.

 

[Knowing]

I probably missed it in the thread but how many police in the US were shot and killed by suspects in 2015?

Probably not very many. Statistically, not very many innocent persons of color were shot either. The national news nature of either appears to be making local representatives from either group valid targets for reprisals before the dust even settles on the last volley. I think the idea behind the most recent outbreak of violence is that the grievance has been marinating for a while and longer term numbers are probably more useful. I don't expect unbiased numbers to ever be provided.

 

[buckshot24]

Buckshot posted the link



For some reason it stops at 2013, but the answer is usually 50-60 a year, but can be as few as 40 and as many as 80.

Edit: Just realized you were looking for 2015, it looks like 2014 is the most recent year with stats: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/officers-feloniously-killed for 2014 it was 51 officers.

This is where I found the link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/

 

[WelshBloke]

Buckshot posted the link



For some reason it stops at 2013, but the answer is usually 50-60 a year, but can be as few as 40 and as many as 80.

Edit: Just realized you were looking for 2015, it looks like 2014 is the most recent year with stats: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/officers-feloniously-killed for 2014 it was 51 officers.

That's a pretty low number to make a statistically meaningful statement on in a country with over 300,000,000 people in.

 

[buckshot24]

That's a pretty low number to make a statistically meaningful statement on in a country with over 300,000,000 people in.

Then we can't say cops are disproportionately killing black people either.

 

[Blackjack200]

That's a pretty low number to make a statistically meaningful statement on in a country with over 300,000,000 people in.

For comparison, the number in the U.K. is six.

Since 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

 

[buckshot24]

For comparison, the number in the U.K. is six.

Since 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

Half of which were female, going by their names. Not one female cop was killed in 2015 from your prior link. Not related but interesting.

 

[Blackjack200]

Half of which were female, going by their names. Not one female cop was killed in 2015 from your prior link. Not related but interesting.

2014, but yeah, I noticed that too.

 

[dank69]

Then we can't say cops are disproportionately killing black people either.

Correct, but we can clearly see that cops immediately treat black people as huge threats. Death isn't the only negative outcome from this treatment. There are beatings, bogus charges, etc. A white guy gets off with a slap on the wrist or a warning, the black guy goes to prison for the same offense.

 

[buckshot24]

Correct, but we can clearly see that cops immediately treat black people as huge threats.

How can we see that?

 

[dank69]

How can we see that?

From numerous video examples. Side by side videos of black vs. white open carry. White people pointing loaded weapons at federal agents = nothing. No charges. Black guy walks around Walmart with a toy guy = dead. C'mon man.

Look how terrified this Minnesota cop was of a dying man and a mother with her 4yo in the back seat. He was so fucking terrified that he shot into a car containing a 4yo, was more worried about restraining the mother than rendering aid to the guy he just shot, and was actually scared that the corpse was going to reanimate and shoot him.

 

[buckshot24]

From numerous video examples. Look how terrified this Minnesota cop was of a dying man and a mother with her 4yo in the back seat. He was so fucking terrified that he shot into a car containing a 4yo, was more worried about restraining the mother than rendering aid to the guy he just shot, and was actually scared that the corpse was going to reanimate and shoot him.

Why do you say it was his skin color that caused this reaction?

 

[WelshBloke]

Then we can't say cops are disproportionately killing black people either.

So?

It doesn't really matter what you think.

People have lost faith in the police and justice system. You doing an impersonation of the Iraqi information minister isn't going to make it better.

 

[dank69]

Why do you say it was his skin color that caused this reaction?

What other explanation could there be? Do you think he reacts this way to every CC? That seems highly unlikely to me.

 

[buckshot24]

What other explanation could there be? Do you think he reacts this way to every CC? That seems highly unlikely to me.

We don't know. Lets stick to the facts, ok?

 

[emperus]

Above 40% of felonious police deaths from 2004 to 2013 were black assailants.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u..._race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2004-2013.xls

Which pretty much lines up with the number of black people killed by police as a percentage.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[shady28]

So?

It doesn't really matter what you think.

People have lost faith in the police and justice system. You doing an impersonation of the Iraqi information minister isn't going to make it better.

People? What 'People'? Are you being racist again?

U.S. Confidence in Police Recovers From Last Year's Low

 

[WelshBloke]

People? What 'People'? Are you being racist again?

You're saying that the people demonstrating have faith in the police and justice system?

Am I being racist? Feel free to explain and I can answer.

 

[buckshot24]

What point are you trying to make?

Isn't it obvious? I'm suggesting that black people being killed more often (proportionately) than whites could be behavior related and not race related. There is a correlation between both numbers.

 

[WelshBloke]

Isn't it obvious? I'm suggesting that black people being killed more often (proportionately) than whites could be behavior related and not race related. There is a correlation between both numbers.

We don't know. Lets stick to the facts, ok?

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[Starbuck1975]

Are the ratios, proportions or quantities even relevant in terms of who gets shot by police more? Should we accept a society where our police default to lethal force, due to fear, poor training, bigotry, stereotypes, hostile communities, irresponsible behavior or all of the above?

Similarly, shouldn't we seek to remedy the socio-economic conditions that create the types of communities and scenarios where police are put into these situations?

There are too many guns on the streets. Too many trigger happy cops. Too many talking heads pouring gasoline on the fire.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are the ratios, proportions or quantities even relevant in terms of who gets shot by police more? Should we accept a society where our police default to lethal force, due to fear, poor training, bigotry, stereotypes, hostile communities, irresponsible behavior or all of the above?

Similarly, shouldn't we seek to remedy the socio-economic conditions that create the types of communities and scenarios where police are put into these situations?

There are too many guns on the streets. Too many trigger happy cops. Too many talking heads pouring gasoline on the fire.

Cant have equal outcomes for everyone. Some people just need to die.

 

[buckshot24]

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The data is the facts. I'm talking about the facts. Too much haggis today or something.