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Reason to not migrating to linux

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Glitchny

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I think i have finnaly realized why I dont use linux as much as i plan to.

There is no easy way to install anything!! Every program that I have tried to install with a few exceptions are so annoying to set up and get working correctly that its not worth it. Why hasnt there been a simple installer (similar to InstallShield) made for linux? is it not possible or what?

thanx


oh and i am posting from linux now because i was able to install firebird
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
What's hard about 'apt-get install apache'?
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what distro are u using? im on RedHat 9 and also ive never been told to use that command or seen it every time i have asked about how to install things
 
Originally posted by: MCrusty
or emerge -k mozilla-firebird
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ah thats gentoo right? i saw all the emerge stuff and i wanted to try out gentoo but it was too complicated for me to install on my dualboot system i couldnt figure it out. had to reinstall redhat onto the old partition to get back my boot sector
 
I am using Gentoo, but the others were referring to a Debian tool, although it can be used on other distros...if I am not mistaken.
 
up2date does dependencies too, but I think it only works if RedHat hosts it since it's their tool. Perhaps that changed with Fedora, I know Fedora comes with yum which is apt-like also and Mandrake has urpmi that does pretty much the same thing.

apt was done for the Debian project but it's package manager agnostic, it's been setup to work with RPMs too (ala apt4rpm) but I can't comment on their quality as I only use Debian whenever possible and I've had mixed luck using 3rd party RPMs before.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
up2date does dependencies too, but I think it only works if RedHat hosts it since it's their tool. Perhaps that changed with Fedora, I know Fedora comes with yum which is apt-like also and Mandrake has urpmi that does pretty much the same thing.

apt was done for the Debian project but it's package manager agnostic, it's been setup to work with RPMs too (ala apt4rpm) but I can't comment on their quality as I only use Debian whenever possible and I've had mixed luck using 3rd party RPMs before.
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k thanx, ill see what i can do
 
A lot of the advantage of debian is the huge package repositories. You can use apt or yum on redhat but a lot of times a package won't be there. Redhat packages seem to get less QA than debian packages as well. Just install debian. 😉 Maybe read up on knoppix and do an install of it.
 
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
A lot of the advantage of debian is the huge package repositories. You can use apt or yum on redhat but a lot of times a package won't be there. Redhat packages seem to get less QA than debian packages as well. Just install debian. 😉 Maybe read up on knoppix and do an install of it.
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how hard/easy is it to install debain? Is it as easy as redhat or more CLI?
 
Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
A lot of the advantage of debian is the huge package repositories. You can use apt or yum on redhat but a lot of times a package won't be there. Redhat packages seem to get less QA than debian packages as well. Just install debian. 😉 Maybe read up on knoppix and do an install of it.
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how hard/easy is it to install debain? Is it as easy as redhat or more CLI?
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Not too hard at all, but it's not really as pretty as the Red Hat installer and you need to have some idea about what you have in your system.
 
here is some newbie documentation. For newbies by newbies

It has docs on using apt-get, text editing, and a bunch of other stuff.

Debian is one of the harder distros to start off using. Not because it is difficult, it's just because it's so much different, but once you figure out how to use it it is definately one of the easiest to live with on a long term basis. Steeper learning curve, but once you make the adjustments it's easy.

The major downsides to GUI-based distros is that even though they are easy to start of with, you end up having to do mantanance to it and all "convenience" kinda ends up getting in the way. They make things just a bit to complicated sometimes.
 
JAMD Linux - The ease of use of Redhat 9, without the bloat, and it has apt-get! The best of both worlds!
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The thing that makes apt on Debian truly great is the package quality. apt itself is really nice, but it's not exactly alone any more because multiple programs like it have been done, as has been seen in this thread. Debian sid has around 13,000 packages supported on 12 different architectures and most of them 'just work' because of the quality of the packages and extra work the maintainers put into them to make them work well. Getting Debian installed for the first time can be a bit of a pain, but it's worth it because once you're done the system pretty much just works forever.
 
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