You do realize that one part of this nation becoming a free nation was through the use of guns, right?
Yes, they enabled everyone the freedom to keep slaves.
You do realize that one part of this nation becoming a free nation was through the use of guns, right?
Something about taxation without representation.
Are your really asking that question. Really. The first example he posted had the prettiest outcome in the history of the world. Jeebus Criminy.
Except that the issue here isn't really guns. The issue is stupid as fuck legislators wasting time and tax dollars dinking around with silly bills instead of doing the jobs the voters sent them to do. Once the state budgets are balanced we can talk about state guns and buns but until then they need to get to work.Whole buncha euro-pussies ruining a great american thread about guns.
Thankyou! I'm constantly arguing this with americans who are trying to tell me that guns are just tools not meant to kill people although they can be used for that, like how you can kill someone with a spoon.
Neckbeard, you say you have shot guns. You say they are exist for the lone reason of killing someone (or something). Might I ask how many people you shot and killed? Or did you use guns in a non-killing manner of some sort?
Neckbeard, you say you have shot guns. You say they are exist for the lone reason of killing someone (or something). Might I ask how many people you shot and killed? Or did you use guns in a non-killing manner of some sort?
Except that the issue here isn't really guns. The issue is stupid as fuck legislators wasting time and tax dollars dinking around with silly bills instead of doing the jobs the voters sent them to do. Once the state budgets are balanced we can talk about state guns and buns but until then they need to get to work.
Don't argue with him. Neckbeard has also consistently upheld that no one can kill him with a knife because he managed to beat a drunk guy back in the day. According to him folding knives aren't made to kill (lol) therefore they are not deadly.
So I could attack him with this: http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=441&brand=zt
or this: http://www.combativeedge.com/m1.html
and he would feel fine, but he is disgusted by the notion of my even carrying a gun.
The law's sponsor said it symbolised freedom and empowerment.
Please explain why we needed to beat the British? Also explain why we are in other countries enforcing policy, taking away their freedom, and claiming it is for ours?
You can't. You can only irrationally justify actions that do nothing to support a healthy society. In fact, you continue to keep society in a constant state of fear and paranoia. You aren't free, you are stuck in a psychosis you don't even want to break away from. You will never know actual freedom or peace.
Woulda though they'd pick something more original. The 1911 has history and all, but a fancy revolver would have been way sweeter.
Sorry what?! Could you post a quote of me saying that, because I never said anything remotely similar, both of those things are something I have never said. You are deluded.
irishScott: Ah yes, you're one of those idiots who thinks guns are the only weapon criminals use, and that guns are only needed to defend against other guns.
Obviously if someone comes at me with a knife or crowbar or baseball bat I'm in no danger at all. Yep, no way I'd have to shoot that person. I can just use mean words and spout laws to their face.
HAL9000: No but that's my point you need to defend yourself with a gun availed a gun the rest of the time man up!
irishScott: Man up? You have zero fighting experience or training. There's a reason a blow to the head with a blunt instrument is considered lethal force under law.
I can tell you right now that with my 3" pocket knife and relatively minimal training I could kill you in seconds. With a baton or baseball bat I could do even better. Man up to that HAL.
Any untrained street thug could without much practice. The difference between you and me is I'd shoot the person before they even got withing reach while you'd be dead, brain damaged, or otherwise severely injured.
Hal9000: No your wrong
Scotteq: The distance from your chest to your heart is about 3", depending.
Your corotid artery is only a few millimeters under the surface of the skin.
It's also *well* within the physical capabilities of an Adult Human Being to hand propel a blunt object into a human temple, crush it, and induce fatal head trauma.
Philosophical differences regarding the right to own aside, irishScott is absolutely correct in his assertion that it's perfectly possible to kill another human being in exactly the manners he describes.
Hal9000: I completely agree that it is, I just said he was wrong that I would be dead in that situation. Trust me I know.
irishScott:Oh you got in a fight and hit him with a bottle. This is new. So what about some other details? How big was the knife? How big was the guy relative to you? Was he drunk?
In any case a gun could have settled the situation quite nicely without resorting to and-to-hand combat or death. Simply displaying it probably would have scared him off. Speaking from my own and friend's experience here. That or the would-be mugger would have been killed in legitimate self defense upon assault with a deadly weapon.
But oh wait, knives aren't deadly weapons in your world either. Like I said, dinner time.
/logs off.
Hal9000:I was drunk, he was drunk. He was shorter than me, I didn't measure the knife.
So my way no one died. Win.
Not explicitly, but...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2139957
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2144672
And that's just off the top of my head. You've basically said that an assailant armed with a 3" knife and superior training cannot kill you. I'm not willing to dig for the rest, but you've routinely stated that you're fine with knives as they serve non-lethal purposes as well. So you're threatened by a person carrying a gun, but would feel fine around a person with training carrying a knife.
THat is what I said exactly. But as you said, I never said that I "can't be killed by a knife" or that "folding knives aren't made for killing" thank you for finding my quotes and proving my point.
You've said everything but the exact words. You're threatened by one deadly weapon but not by an equally deadly if different weapon. You've stated that if attacked with a knife you wouldn't be killed. Period; with no supporting arguments whatsoever. You've stated the utilitarian uses of knives as justification for not being afraid of their defensive uses, despite the fact that there is no effective way to separate the two from the instrument.
It's like being scared of a lion but not a tiger.
In short your thoughts are hypocritical, and yet another example of double-think out of you. I can drag out the posts on that too if you'd like.
Really? Where did I say that... I must have missed that, I've said that I'd have a better chance defending myself against a knife than a gun...?
I would like. Please get the quotes out that prove the original posts you made or perhaps the post where I said "If attacked with a knife I wouldn't be killed"
