Rear Wheel Drive or Front Wheel Drive?

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No Lifer
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Ah, thats a pretty nasty medical condition! Its like the one I heard where this girl is alergic to water if it touches her skin it makes her get some reaction. Unlike hers I can believe yours though. So I guess you don't do those "Polar bear swims" then when people get down to their swimming trunks in the middle of winter and swim in the ocean.
 

geno

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Val, can you go in water such as pools or lakes (regular summer temps)? Or does it have to be warm water, like a shower or bath?
 

beat mania

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FR/MR/RR ... you know, front engine/mid-engine/rear engine rear wheel drive ... what do they call it in America then?
 

Valhalla1

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<< Val, can you go in water such as pools or lakes (regular summer temps)? Or does it have to be warm water, like a shower or bath?
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In the summer swimming isn't a problem, the pool water isn't really that cold. The Guadalupe river is really cold though, that's what the problem was. Its all like melted snow from moutains and stuff turned into a river. :|


 

mechBgon

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Actually, RWD works fine in cold climates and snow, provided the driver knows how to handle it. My dad drove a RWD 1975 Mercedes 240D 60 miles a day round-trip to work in Alaska, and at times he was driving on Highway 9 in up to a foot of fresh snow, as well as every other winter road condition. At times he had to run chains on it in addition to some top-notch winter tires, but that is par for the course in that area, no matter what you drive. Heh, he had stories of times when the snow in the Seward railroad yard got so deep that the road grader was getting hung up with its blade up as high as possible!

We also took that car on a 200-mile round trip over Turnagain Pass every three weeks or so, winter or summer, to reach Anchorage and buy groceries. Impressive, simple little car, I wish I had one. I realize that today's RWD cars are more performance-oriented and not as likely to handle winter driving like it did, of course.
 

Ornery

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I finally found the secret for RWD cars on snow and ice. Took me 25 years, but I finally got it! I've had the worst trouble getting winter traction in just about every vehicle I've owned. The only one that really worked well was my 65 Catalina with studded snows in the rear and more snows up front. That was awesome!

But lately it's just been a bear, Whether I put weight in the back or not, I still couldn't get traction. Well, the reason is because I was too cheap to buy good tires! What a dumb ass! I slapped a set of Michelin LTX tires on my wife's van recently and, my God, it's a whole new vehicle! No problem stopping or going. The difference is impossible to put into words. Lord, I've learned my lesson. Those are the only tires I will ever buy again for my car or truck.

I don't care what rating is on the tires you're currently using. The ones I had before were 'A' rated for traction. Means NOTHING! These Michelins are the cat's ass! ;) If you've got a RWD and you want winter traction without snow tire whine, BUY EM!
 

Valhalla1

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lol.. dude this weekend we poured over the whole beaterz site at work for hours. .. man, I haven't laughed that hard in a while..

&quot;Remember kids.. YELLOW=PERFORMANCE&quot; :Q

 

Zenmervolt

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FR: The engine is over the front wheels, but the tranny can be located in the rear of the vehicle. This allows for 50/50 weight distribution, which helps handling, but most of the weight is concentrated at the ends (poles) of the car. Because of this the more effort is required to make the car change course. This makes a FR configuration the most inherantly stable of the rear drive layouts, at the cost of some maneuverability.
MR: Again we have 50/50 weight distribution, but the mass is concentrated at the car's center. This means less effort is required to change the course of the car. This makes the car more nimble, at the cost of some twitchiness (sp?).
RR: We no longer have ideal weight distribution, as most of the weight is over the rear wheels. This is advantageous because it combines the main advantage of front drive (lots of weight over the drive wheels for traction) while avoiding the drawbacks of front drive (not enough grip to put down power and turn the car, weight transfer off of the drive wheels during acceleration). Those who drove the original VW Beetle know that the RR arrangement did work well for driving in snow. There is one major problem with the RR arrangement however, which limits its application severely. When in a steady state cornering situation, a RR car is fine, however if the driver does anything (and I mean anything) suddenly, like lifting off or flooring the gas or hitting the brakes, the driver is introduced to the laws of physics, if lucky, and to an oak tree if not lucky as the rear of the car spins around and overtakes the front. RR cars require great care when driven fast, which is why the layout is unpopular.

Zenmervolt
 

beat mania

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From what was said before, I'm guessing that RR is the best for acceleration because it is basically pushing the whole car while the weight remains in the rear?
 

TheVrolok

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4 wheel drive! Woo! But if I had to choose I'd go front wheel, I'd rather pull than push. I like it better in the snow.
 

dimsum

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MHO, it just doesn't feel right going from RW to FW, just funny. Took me a while to get adjusted.
 

geno

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<< From what was said before, I'm guessing that RR is the best for acceleration because it is basically pushing the whole car while the weight remains in the rear? >>


I'd say MR does the best when it comes to acceleration. Due to the fact that more weight is placed just before the drive axle, as it's accelerating, more weight would be placed on the wheels than RR would. RR would leave the most force from the engine more towards the rear bumper. That's how I see it, but I don't have much proof :p
 

Zenmervolt

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Genocide, actually RR is the best for acceleration because the weight has better leverage over the rear (drive) wheels. The Porsche 911 Turbo has been the king of R&amp;T 0-100-0 comparisons because of the weight distribution. The previous 911 Turbo was able to beat the best exotics on 4 wheels, including the more powerful Viper because the 911 got great traction off the line and under braking the 911 was most stable.

Zenmervolt
 

shabby

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AWD is the only way to go if you want to put all the power down and not waste any due to traction problems.
I've driven in camaro's and mustangs, sure their fast, but nothings faster out of the hole than an awd dsm or the new wrx :)
 

geno

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shabby, true, but when it comes to cornering - RWD is the king. Though it's less stable than AWD in the corners ;)
 

shabby

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Heh true, unless you get an open rear differential then it'll be just as fun :)
 

Electric Amish

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All I know is that if my '94 Ford Probe GT was rear-wheel drive with it's 16&quot; wheels I wouldn't go anywhere in the snow!

Doesn't do half bad, though. :)

amish