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Reamed by Rheem

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What a piece of shyt.

Previously I had a Lennox oil burner (forced air) furnace, but when my boy arrived in late '94 I decided to toss that noisy smelly oil burner and switch to natural gas, so far it has managed to fail 12 times, the first six were covered under warranty, but this last episode took the cake.
The furnace is controlled by a IFC (integrated furnace control), a simple looking circuit mounted in a PCB, it contains a myriad of relays, a chip, some resisters, diodes, IC's and dip switches.
Now this board has failed three times in the past 4 years which has left me with no heat, the first time around I called the company who installed it, they came to my house, diagnosed the problem and replaced the board, the last two times I diagnosed it myself and replaced it.
Two days ago I woke up in a 38 degree house, POS :| , so I yank the access cover and find 1 inch of puddled water, apparently the neoprene condensation drain hoses have failed, thus filling the sensor, blower and IFC area with water, I cleaned up the mess, replaced the hoses and turn on the furnace, nothing.
I pull the access cover for the IFC, no LED are lit, I kill the power and start the diagnoses process, come to find that all the multi-pin connectors are corroded from the water intrusion, I carefully pull the pins one at a time and clean them up, I turn the power back on, nothing.
By this time it is approaching freezing temps in my house, so I head down to my shop and pick up my two salamanders (kerosene fired forced air heaters), now that there is some heat in my house I go back to repairing the furnace.
I next remove the IFC from it's plastic mounting box, I see no external damage so I start testing all the safety devices, it appear to be in working order, I reinstall the IFC and fire her up, BINGO, I now have lit LED's, the blower starts but no power to the thin film igniter, thus no gas flow.
I follow the diagnostic tree printed on the back of the IFC cover, it passes all the tests right up to the point where the igniter is supposed to fire, I remove the igniter and test it's resistance, it's fine so I temporarily hook it up to V, it fires right up, according to the diagnostic tree printed on the cover, I have to replace the IFC because it is no longer supplying voltage to the igniter, guess what, Rheem no longer supplies new IFC's anymore, I have to (according to them) buy a new furnace and have it installed by a licensed HVAC technician.
They can blow me.
I go about reassembling the mess, I flip the switch and suddenly I have flame 🙂
This leads me to believe either there are more bad connections or one of the safety devices has failed, I let the furnace run until the thermostat shuts the furnace off, I reset the thermostat for more heat, nothing 🙁, I then start bypassing one safety device at a time (overheat sensors (2), blower sensor, flame sensor), once again I have ignition, I reattach the safety sensors one at a time until it fails, apparently one of the overheat sensors (nothing but a bi-metallic strip connected to a micro-switch) has failed, I call up for a new part, "sorry sir, we do not have those replacement parts anymore" :| :| .

Unfvcking believable

So, now I have to go out and buy a new furnace, now on to the million dollar question ;

Who makes the best gas fired, forced air furnace on the market ?
 
Might Check out Carrier.

I'll have to go check what I have on the side of my house. We built this house 6 years ago and never had a single problem with our natural gas unit.
 
That sucks. I thought Rheem was close to top of the line. Other than replacing a blower motor our Rheem has been good....it is nearly 20 years old, though. 😉
 
Kudos for knowing how to do all that yourself. I would be clueless.

Jack of all trades, master of one 😉

That sucks. I thought Rheem was close to top of the line. Other than replacing a blower motor our Rheem has been good....it is nearly 20 years old, though.

I was under that impression too, my furnace is a high efficiancy, supposedly 94% efficiant, the exhaust from combustion exits out a plastic pipe out the side of my home, it's still a POS though and Rheem execs or bean counters should be shot for discontinuing the parts supply for a furnace that is less than ten years old.


Looking into Carrier now, thanks 🙂
I am looking for the best of the best, money is no object.
Any others ?
 
I have always had good luck with Janitol/Goodman equipment. The price is always right and I have never had a problem other than a dead circut board on one that I installed. I called up my local distributor and they gave me a new one.

hvac talk is a good forum that you can check out. Carrier makes good equipment, very good stuff. Priced a lot higher though. Stay away from Trane. Their 90+ stuff is just junk.

Hope this helps.
 
Originally posted by: dartworth
I have always had good luck with Janitol/Goodman equipment. The price is always right and I have never had a problem other than a dead circut board on one that I installed. I called up my local distributor and they gave me a new one.

hvac talk is a good forum that you can check out. Carrier makes good equipment, very good stuff. Priced a lot higher though. Stay away from Trane. Their 90+ stuff is just junk.

Hope this helps.

HVAC talk? Jeeze, there really is a forum for everything...
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😉😀
 
I have an uncle who works for Trane. He put in my parents system (replacing the units that look like from the '60s) and they seem to have affordable energy bills.

Yeah, I had fun this summer diagnosing my gas fired water heater (I rent). The thermocouple gave out. The landlady took $20 off my rent for my "service call." She probably saved a Grant or maybe a Benjamin by having me do it. But if I didn't do it, the service schedule of the gas company would have had me taking cold showers for two weeks.
 
Check out the American Standard line....
Same as a Trane.
Less money

But.
Name brand is not as important as a good install.
For control board problems - Check the ground.
It is the return path for sensors.

HVAC TALK is a great site.
They just dont like do it yourselfers
 
Hmmm -- *ALL* of the servicemen around here say to get ANYTHING but a Carrier. I'm not an expert, but when the servicemen (from several different suppliers) all told me to stay away from Carrier, I figured that meant something. I just installed a Ruud heatpump, made by the same people as Rheem, and am very pleased with it.
 
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: woowoo


HVAC TALK is a great site.
They just dont like do it yourselfers


Exactly...I have noticed that too

of course, nobody likes their job security threatened. I said fvck it and started working on my appliances/cars/ect. I cannot believe how simple this stuff is, with a few exceptions. I've probably saved at least $1000 doing stuff that I used to just call someone to fix.
 
Have you tried looking for an aftermarket replacement part? Some pump on our Bryant furnace went bad and a friend of the family replaced it with IIRC an aftermarket replacement part. You might want to hop on the internet and contact every dealer or HVAC supply who might have some of these parts still in stock somewhere collecting dust. Worth a shot.


 
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