Really need to do some martial arts...

[TallBill]

I'm gaining more and more strength and losing endurance and agility, plus I think that it'd be great to put my frame to work.

This place is near my house/work. Fist Law

Not sure how much $$$, but I'm willing to bet that they could whip me into shape. I'd love to take boxing/kickboxing, Ju-Jitsu/TKD, and especially the grappling/submission classes.

Anyone intense at a martial arts gym and lift weights? I imagine that it'd be hell on the body at first.

 

[GenHoth]

I'm into Judo, which is the sport form of Ju-Jitsu. Its a fun workout, great for flexibility and endurance. It isn't tough to add to a tough weightlifting scheme. The strength aspects that others find draining you will find a breeze. The hardest effort comes from sparing, and you have a ways to go before you're into that. So try it out, get some of the benefits and find out if its right for you!

BTW, Tai Chi is another great way of keeping flexible. So is yoga!

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Grappling is pretty tiring some days after lifting. I do BJJ and I can definitely feel the parts I've lifted for when I go to stretch. The thing I have to deal with most is the hindered flexibility after lifting, since I get my muscle pump quickly after I lift that day. It's still manageable and you can still do it, but it's definitely hard.

 

[TallBill]

Well unfortunately with my schedule I'd probably be lifting afterwards. I guess I just need to contact the gym and figure out what will work.

 

[apac]

I take 1.5 hours of karate and have tried lifting afterwards, but found that I was simply exhausted from all the aerobic activity. Especially if you end up sparring/contact fighting where your muscles really take a beating. Just a couple good low kicks = very sore quads.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: apac
I take 1.5 hours of karate and have tried lifting afterwards, but found that I was simply exhausted from all the aerobic activity. Especially if you end up sparring/contact fighting where your muscles really take a beating. Just a couple good low kicks = very sore quads.

Yeah, TallBill, I would really suggest that you somehow lift beforehand. It would be far less than optimal to do aerobic and then your lifting. You don't want to be shakey for your heavy lifts, you know that.

 

[apac]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: apac
I take 1.5 hours of karate and have tried lifting afterwards, but found that I was simply exhausted from all the aerobic activity. Especially if you end up sparring/contact fighting where your muscles really take a beating. Just a couple good low kicks = very sore quads.

Yeah, TallBill, I would really suggest that you somehow lift beforehand. It would be far less than optimal to do aerobic and then your lifting. You don't want to be shakey for your heavy lifts, you know that.

I'd even go so far as to say you should stagger your aerobic/heavy lifting days and try to rearrange your schedule to make it work. If you lift afterward SociallyChallenged points come into play. If you life beforehand it's going to be difficult to improve your speed on tired muscles.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: apac

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: apac
I take 1.5 hours of karate and have tried lifting afterwards, but found that I was simply exhausted from all the aerobic activity. Especially if you end up sparring/contact fighting where your muscles really take a beating. Just a couple good low kicks = very sore quads.

Yeah, TallBill, I would really suggest that you somehow lift beforehand. It would be far less than optimal to do aerobic and then your lifting. You don't want to be shakey for your heavy lifts, you know that.

I'd even go so far as to say you should stagger your aerobic/heavy lifting days and try to rearrange your schedule to make it work. If you lift afterward SociallyChallenged points come into play. If you life beforehand it's going to be difficult to improve your speed on tired muscles.

I don't really have too much trouble other than flexibility after lifting... Quickness is still there, but that may be because I'm a fairly small guy. It's probably less than convenient to stagger days however efficient it would be, but it's a plausible suggestion.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I mix it up with weights a couple-3 times a week, but I am not into it like some of you are. Martial Arts on the other hand, I have been active in for almost 27yrs now. I grew up in Kenpo, but not Ed Parker's system (which fist law may be?), we almost completely eschewed non weapons based kata and belt training. But what I liked most about Kenpo, was the chin na and the philosophy of a block being a strike. Hell, we were doing rear naked chokes (we called it monkey on the back), the guillotine,(we just called it the front headlock choke) and most of the other "MMA" stuff back in the early 80's.

The reason I typed all that, was you didn't mention Kenpo as part of what you were interested in. Unless these guys separated the Ju jitsu aspects so they could bundle it in the MMA training, Kenpo provides a lot of variety. It does look like they do the katas though, and can understand if you want to avoid it. I'd certainly choose it over TKD, but hope the TKD guys don't think I am disrespecting them. Different strokes and all that.

Anyways, based on my own experiences over the years, I say you will definitely have to stagger, unless you are a really superior athlete. Your ass is gonna be whipped, in every sense of the word, if it is anything like the 2hr classes we used to do biad. "I imagine that it'd be hell on the body at first." Since you are looking for the training where you workout with other cats, it is going to be hell on the body every time. :evil:

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I mix it up with weights a couple-3 times a week, but I am not into it like some of you are. Martial Arts on the other hand, I have been active in for almost 27yrs now. I grew up in Kenpo, but not Ed Parker's system (which fist law may be?), we almost completely eschewed non weapons based kata and belt training. But what I liked most about Kenpo, was the chin na and the philosophy of a block being a strike. Hell, we were doing rear naked chokes (we called it monkey on the back), the guillotine,(we just called it the front headlock choke) and most of the other "MMA" stuff back in the early 80's.

The reason I typed all that, was you didn't mention Kenpo as part of what you were interested in. Unless these guys separated the Ju jitsu aspects so they could bundle it in the MMA training, Kenpo provides a lot of variety. It does look like they do the katas though, and can understand if you want to avoid it. I'd certainly choose it over TKD, but hope the TKD guys don't think I am disrespecting them. Different strokes and all that.

Anyways, based on my own experiences over the years, I say you will definitely have to stagger, unless you are a really superior athlete. Your ass is gonna be whipped, in every sense of the word, if it is anything like the 2hr classes we used to do biad. "I imagine that it'd be hell on the body at first." Since you are looking for the training where you workout with other cats, it is going to be hell on the body every time. :evil:

Great post, thanks! I'm probably stopping into the gym tomorrow and see what I can get going. Honestly I'd probably have to try everything that they offer to see what I really like.

 

[BigPoppa]

Everything is gonna depend on how far apart the lifting and MA sessions are apart. With proper nutrition and at least a bit of time between them you should be good to go. Pre/post-workout nutrition will help your recovery. Dex+whey or waxy maize+whey sipped before-during-after your workouts will replenish your energy stores pretty quickly.

 

[TallBill]

I drink Cyto Max during cardio, lifting, and sports. By the way, I talked to the boxing coach today. Gonna go tomorrow and see what I can do.

 

[TallBill]

Well, first boxing lesson is over. Mostly just cardio drills. The trainer already set me up for personall 1 on 1 training, so hopefully I'll eventually compete. Just replenished, and going to lift, so I'll see if I live.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Well, first boxing lesson is over. Mostly just cardio drills. The trainer already set me up for personall 1 on 1 training, so hopefully I'll eventually compete. Just replenished, and going to lift, so I'll see if I live.

With your reach, your jab will be like a telephone pole for a lot of guys. Obviously, the shorter fighters will want to get inside and bang, and you may have the slight disadvantage punching down in those match ups, but on the plus side, even when faced with a faster opponent, superior reach and good timing can compensate for it.

Maybe you could add it to your training journal, I'd be interested in reading how it goes for you. Damned shame you won't be kicking though, that's where being tall really let me keep a lot of a fight at my critical distance instead of theirs'. Unless you have an unusually long torso contributing to your height that is.

 

[TallBill]

Oh, I'll be kicking eventually. Just starting with strict boxing training for the first few months.