Reality is unravelling for Bush

GrGr

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Reality is unravelling for Bush

Even negative attacks on Kerry no longer seem to be working

Sidney Blumenthal
Thursday June 24, 2004
The Guardian


At the Pentagon, on June 10, while business in Washington had officially halted as the body of Ronald Reagan lay in state, defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld convened an emergency meeting on the Abu Ghraib scandal, according to a reliable source privy to its proceedings. Rumsfeld began the extraordinary session by saying that certain documents needed to "get out" that would show that there was no policy approving of torture and that what had happened in Iraq and Afghanistan was aberrant.
The Senate armed services committee had been conducting hearings whose corrosive impact needed to be countered. Rumsfeld complained about "serial requests" for information from Congress. Yet he was even more upset by subpoenas of defence officials issued by the special prosecutor in the case of Valerie Plame. The Pentagon, Rumsfeld said, was nearly "at a stop" because of them. Rumsfeld admitted he was startled by the uproar over Abu Ghraib: "There are so many international organisations."

On June 22, the White House released documents on policy on torture, including a directive signed on February 7 2002 by Bush stating that he has "the authority under the constitution" to abrogate the Geneva conventions, that the Taliban and al-Qaida as non-signatories were not covered by them, and that consequently Bush "declines to exercise that authority at this time". Rumsfeld's damage control was simply one front in the expanding Bush administration war for credibility.

Vice-president Dick Cheney staged a preemptive strike last week by reiterating that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida had a relationship and insinuating that they were in league. His intended target was the 9/11 commission, which is dangerously independent. Its Republican co-chairman, Thomas Kean, replied that there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam and al-Qaida had collaborated. Bush entered the battle, repeating that there was indeed a "relationship". Then the Democratic co-chairman of the commission, Lee Hamilton, explained that al-Qaida had in fact approached Saddam seeking his help, but that it had been rebuffed. The rejection was the relationship. But Bush and Cheney's affirmative assertions made it seem that the "relationship" was affirmative.

The urgency of Bush's credibility crisis surfaced in the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll showing the collapse of Bush's standing on terrorism, losing 13 points since April, putting Kerry even on the issue and one point ahead in the contest. But even more worrying was Bush's rating on trust. By a margin of 52% to 39%, Kerry is seen as more honest and trustworthy.

Since March 3, the Bush-Cheney campaign has spent an estimated $80m on mostly negative advertising, to eliminate Kerry at the starting gate. The strategy was the acceleration of the lesson of Bush's father's victorious effort in the 1988 campaign when, 17 points behind in mid-summer, he shattered Michael Dukakis with a withering negative attack.

Now, Bush's opponent is not only moving ahead, but the failed assault may insulate Kerry against future offensives. Bush had every reason to believe that his attack on Kerry's image would succeed. After September 11, he was able to impose his explanations on the public almost without resistance and to taint anyone who contradicted them as somehow unpatriotic.

With Congress in Republican hands, checks and balances were effectively removed. Most of the media was on the bandwagon or intimidated. Cheney himself called the president of the corporation that owned one of the networks to complain about an errant commentator. Political aides directed by Karl Rove ceaselessly called editors and producers with veiled threats about access that was not granted in any case. The press would not bite the hand that would not feed it.

But Bush's projection of images can only faintly be seen on the screen, which is overwhelmed with Bush's past images of triumph unreeling in reverse. The majority of the people had supported the war in Iraq because they believed that Saddam was involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11. Bush envisioned the Iraqi war unfolding into a new world order: the liberation of Iraq resembling the liberation of France, democracy flowering throughout the Middle East, and the Palestinians submitting quietly to Sharon's fait accompli .

But the neoconservative prophesies had been advanced by suppressing the scepticism of the US intelligence agencies, the military and the state department. Without deranging and dismissing the professionalism of the basic institutions of national security, Bush would not have been able to sustain his reasons. Bush's battle is not with image, but with the unravelling of his reality.

· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com
 

shiner

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· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com


Yep....there's a REAL unbiased source......
 

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com


Yep....there's a REAL unbiased source......

Ugh...I like how the content means nothing if the source seems somewhat biased. This is obviously an OP-ED, so do you have an opinion on the content? Or are you just here to complain?
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com
Yep....there's a REAL unbiased source......
Ugh...I like how the content of an OPINION piece means nothing if the source seems somewhat biased. This is obviously an OP-ED, so do you have an opinion on the content? Or are you just here to complain?
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: shinerburke
· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com


Yep....there's a REAL unbiased source......

Ugh...I like how the content means nothing if the source seems somewhat biased. This is obviously an OP-ED, so do you have an opinion on the content? Or are you just here to complain?
I'm just saying the same thing the lefties on here say any time a piece is posted they don't like.
 

TheBDB

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: shinerburke
· Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of salon.com


Yep....there's a REAL unbiased source......

Ugh...I like how the content means nothing if the source seems somewhat biased. This is obviously an OP-ED, so do you have an opinion on the content? Or are you just here to complain?
I'm just saying the same thing the lefties on here say any time a piece is posted they don't like.

So you are admitting you don't like the article because it is true and you wish to degrade it any way possible? :D
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Except for the Nascar crowd.

You seem to imply that only the beer-bellied, Nascar-following, redneck crowd is the only group that remains in support of President Bush.

Ironically, I live in the Washington, DC area and know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents.

Time to come out of the dark hole that you are residing in. :)



* Disclaimer: This was not meant as a personal bash per-se. Rather, a reality check. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Except for the Nascar crowd.

You seem to imply that only the beer-bellied, Nascar-following, redneck crowd is the only group that remains in support of President Bush.

Ironically, I live in the Washington, DC area and know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents.

Time to come out of the dark hole that you are residing in. :)



* Disclaimer: This was not meant as a personal bash per-se. Rather, a reality check. ;)

[whining liberal voice] That is only because his tax-cuts, which came at the expense of the "working class," benefited only the wealthiest 1% of America, so naturally you "know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents." [/fallacious liberal rant] :)

You work in the district, sir?
 

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Sidney Blumenthal - says it all.

This guy is a crack pot. He used to argue for Socialism in the Clinton era. He is also a pioneer of the Bush knew conspiracy theory about 911. Here are some of his recent comparisons...

According to Sidney Blumenthal, a onetime adviser to president Bill Clinton who now writes a column for Britain's Guardian newspaper, President Bush today runs "what is in effect a gulag," stretching "from prisons in Afghanistan to Iraq, from Guantanamo to secret CIA prisons around the world." Mr. Blumenthal says "there has been nothing like this system since the fall of the Soviet Union."

In another column, Mr. Blumenthal compares the April death toll for American soldiers in Iraq to the Eastern Front in the Second World War. Mr. Bush's "splendid little war," he writes, "has entered a Stalingrad-like phase of urban siege and house-to-house combat."



What a joke, the Germans lost 100,000 men in Stalingrad. The Soviets had over 1.6 million in camps. By comparison, the US lost 111 men during the great Stalingrad of Iraq (he was talking about Falluja), and has less than 10,000 foreign fighters imprisoned. This is just a great example of the lack of knowledge and control that the left exhibits these days.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Except for the Nascar crowd.

You seem to imply that only the beer-bellied, Nascar-following, redneck crowd is the only group that remains in support of President Bush.

Ironically, I live in the Washington, DC area and know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents.

Time to come out of the dark hole that you are residing in. :)



* Disclaimer: This was not meant as a personal bash per-se. Rather, a reality check. ;)

[whining liberal voice] That is only because his tax-cuts, which came at the expense of the "working class," benefited only the wealthiest 1% of America, so naturally you "know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents." [/fallacious liberal rant] :)

You work in the district, sir?

"This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base." George W Bush, Al Smith Memorial Dinner in New York, 19th October 2000

...
But what is more extraordinary is his capacity to co-opt the populist style of his adversaries at a time when the Republicans are more than ever the party of extraordinary wealth.

The men and women in the ballroom had paid a minimum of $1,500 (£900) for their hot dogs, and almost all of them had contributed much, much more. The single night brought the Republican party a total of $14m. Mr Bush has so far raised $83m for his primary campaign, more than all nine Democratic contenders put together, even though he does not have an opponent inside his party.

This financial superiority flows from the simple fact that the president's backers are far wealthier than those of his rivals. More of them give the maximum contribution to a presidential campaign of $2,000, and more of them are chief executives who vie with each other to become honoured Republican "Rangers" or "Pioneers", by putting together $200,000 and $100,000 "bundles" of contributions from their employees and friends.

"You don't raise that kind of money at barbecues and backyard sales. You raise it from big business," said Charles Lewis, who runs the Washington watchdog the Centre for Public Integrity.

The egalitarianism of the evening also stood in marked contrast to the reality of contemporary America, which in hard economic terms is a more divided and unequal country than at any time since the "gilded age" of the late 19th century.

The richest 1% of Americans now own well over 40% of their nation's wealth. It is a skewed distribution that sets the US apart from other modern industrialised nations. In Britain, widely viewed in America as the embodiment of social stratification, the richest 1% owns a mere 18% of the wealth.

These disparities are, of course, not solely the work of the Bush administration. The economic division of the country has been under way for 20 years. After a long period of levelling incomes and wealth after the second world war, inequality began to rise exponentially from 1980, driven principally by the boom in stock prices and the decline in unions.

Differentials continued to stretch, albeit more slowly, under the Clinton administration, despite its efforts to institute a more progressive tax policy. What sets the Bush era apart is the extent to which policy has reinforced the divide rather than sought to mitigate it.

Nearly half the benefits of Mr Bush's $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001 went to the richest 1%, while 60% of this year's cuts will go to taxpayers with incomes of more than $100,000, according to the tax policy centre run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Mr Bush also fought hard to repeal an inheritance tax that affected only the wealthiest 2%, as well as cutting capital gains tax and trying to abolish the tax on dividends.


The Bush cabinet also stands out for its big money background. Every member is a millionaire and, the Centre for Public Integrity says, its total net worth is more than 10 times that of the Clinton cabinet.

President Bush may not be the cause of America's unequal society, but the members of his administration arguably personify a new plutocracy.

etc.


Why America's plutocrats gobble up $1,500 hot dogs
 

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Except for the Nascar crowd.

You seem to imply that only the beer-bellied, Nascar-following, redneck crowd is the only group that remains in support of President Bush.

Ironically, I live in the Washington, DC area and know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents.

Time to come out of the dark hole that you are residing in. :)



* Disclaimer: This was not meant as a personal bash per-se. Rather, a reality check. ;)

[whining liberal voice] That is only because his tax-cuts, which came at the expense of the "working class," benefited only the wealthiest 1% of America, so naturally you "know more wealthy people in support of Bush as opposed to his opponents." [/fallacious liberal rant] :)

You work in the district, sir?

"This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elite. I call you my base." George W Bush, Al Smith Memorial Dinner in New York, 19th October 2000

...
But what is more extraordinary is his capacity to co-opt the populist style of his adversaries at a time when the Republicans are more than ever the party of extraordinary wealth.

The men and women in the ballroom had paid a minimum of $1,500 (£900) for their hot dogs, and almost all of them had contributed much, much more. The single night brought the Republican party a total of $14m. Mr Bush has so far raised $83m for his primary campaign, more than all nine Democratic contenders put together, even though he does not have an opponent inside his party.

This financial superiority flows from the simple fact that the president's backers are far wealthier than those of his rivals. More of them give the maximum contribution to a presidential campaign of $2,000, and more of them are chief executives who vie with each other to become honoured Republican "Rangers" or "Pioneers", by putting together $200,000 and $100,000 "bundles" of contributions from their employees and friends.

"You don't raise that kind of money at barbecues and backyard sales. You raise it from big business," said Charles Lewis, who runs the Washington watchdog the Centre for Public Integrity.

The egalitarianism of the evening also stood in marked contrast to the reality of contemporary America, which in hard economic terms is a more divided and unequal country than at any time since the "gilded age" of the late 19th century.

The richest 1% of Americans now own well over 40% of their nation's wealth. It is a skewed distribution that sets the US apart from other modern industrialised nations. In Britain, widely viewed in America as the embodiment of social stratification, the richest 1% owns a mere 18% of the wealth.

These disparities are, of course, not solely the work of the Bush administration. The economic division of the country has been under way for 20 years. After a long period of levelling incomes and wealth after the second world war, inequality began to rise exponentially from 1980, driven principally by the boom in stock prices and the decline in unions.

Differentials continued to stretch, albeit more slowly, under the Clinton administration, despite its efforts to institute a more progressive tax policy. What sets the Bush era apart is the extent to which policy has reinforced the divide rather than sought to mitigate it.

Nearly half the benefits of Mr Bush's $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001 went to the richest 1%, while 60% of this year's cuts will go to taxpayers with incomes of more than $100,000, according to the tax policy centre run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Mr Bush also fought hard to repeal an inheritance tax that affected only the wealthiest 2%, as well as cutting capital gains tax and trying to abolish the tax on dividends.


The Bush cabinet also stands out for its big money background. Every member is a millionaire and, the Centre for Public Integrity says, its total net worth is more than 10 times that of the Clinton cabinet.

President Bush may not be the cause of America's unequal society, but the members of his administration arguably personify a new plutocracy.

etc.


Why America's plutocrats gobble up $1,500 hot dogs

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.
 
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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:
 

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Maybe his point is that we're involved in a war where we've spent over $100 billion, lost American lives, and at this time our track record shows violation of the Geneva convention, the largest deficit we've ever had, and more terrorism in Iraq than ever before.

If we went in to help Iraq, we are failing miserably. If we went in to make the Middle East safer, we are failing miserably. If we went in to improve America's standing in the world, we are failing miserably. Iraq has been a complete and utter failure, and now Bush is trying to cut his losses by abandoning the Iraqi people, with the mess we made, after we pledged to help them. If you think Saddam was bad, wait and see what will happen if Al-Mokhtada gets power. Islamic fundamentalism takes crazy to a whole new level.

And by the way, the fact that you brushed off the death of over 500 American servicemen/women because "Chirac is responsible for the death of 15,000 French" is not only absurd, but terrifying. I don't care how badly France or any other country is run: what I care about is if even ONE American soldier dies in an operation that has no foreseeable benefits for the American people.
 
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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:

One day, sir, you and your liberal pals will come to realize that your lack of policies/plans and the "only the stupid....only nascar...only idiots..." rhetoric is what has caused you to lose total control of every facet of government...
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

That's nothing, look at how many thousands of Americans died on the roads and from cancer because of Bush! He's a mass murderer

edit: JohnGalt will now say liberal left don't control a single branch of government which is true but when TSHTF it's always the liberal left's fault! Funny how that works.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:

Poor xxxxJohnGaltxxxx is seems to be a victim of this (see below) OSI strategic warfare disinformation campaign to brainwash poor unsuspecting and trusting people.

He seemingly cannot post without bringing Chirac, France and Germany into it on a regular basis.

"Sam Gardiner, a retired Air Force Colonel and professor at the National War College, analysed some fifty different stories in the U.S. and UK that were planted in the press as part of a strategic information warfare campaign to win public support for the war and to isolate and punish opponents. We should note in passing that among the privileged targets of this disinformation campaign were the French and German governments?who were subjected to a mean spirited but very effective campaign of disinformation which helped stoke public anger in the U.S. against ?Old Europe? and spark consumer and travel boycotts against these two countries."
 

Moonbeam

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Yup, socialism in France is so good that people live almost forever. They get so old and consequently frail in fact that if the temp goes up a bit a million of um will die. America would never let anything like that happen here cause we kill um all off from stress thirty years early. Try to think, Galt. :eek:
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:

One day, sir, you and your liberal pals will come to realize that your lack of policies/plans and the "only the stupid....only nascar...only idiots..." rhetoric is what has caused you to lose total control of every facet of government...

Don't worry, it's an election year, things will change. And are you denying that a huge chunk of the Bushies are not the uber rich and/or some combination of Nascar watching, beer chugging, Confederate flag waving Christian fundies?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:

Poor xxxxJohnGaltxxxx is seems to be a victim of this (see below) OSI strategic warfare disinformation campaign to brainwash poor unsuspecting and trusting people.

He seemingly cannot post without bringing Chirac, France and Germany into it on a regular basis.

"Sam Gardiner, a retired Air Force Colonel and professor at the National War College, analysed some fifty different stories in the U.S. and UK that were planted in the press as part of a strategic information warfare campaign to win public support for the war and to isolate and punish opponents. We should note in passing that among the privileged targets of this disinformation campaign were the French and German governments?who were subjected to a mean spirited but very effective campaign of disinformation which helped stoke public anger in the U.S. against ?Old Europe? and spark consumer and travel boycotts against these two countries."

Yup. America cannot possibly be wrong, it's all the French or the turban headed brown boys doing. ;)
 

irwincur

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and at this time our track record shows violation of the Geneva convention

False. Read the conventions, it is really not that complicated. They apply only to uniformed soldiers (which Iraqi insurgents are not) and to soldiers who themselves follow the conventions. So in two cases it is obvious that the US was not in violation - unless beheading innocents still keeps the Iraqi insurgents qualified - as knowingly murduring of innocents is illegal under the conventions.
 

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

The truth hurts huh Galt? It's either the uber rich or the uber stupid who are left supporting Bush. BTW, anyone keeping tabs on the "security situation" in Iraq today? Three more Marines lost their lives for good ol' W.

Yea, it really hurts...wake me up when the liberal left control a single branch of government, given they and their policies coincide best with mainstream Americans.

15,000 died in France because of Chirac; what's your point again, G?

Oh ya, I forgot, Chirac causing that whole heat wave thing... what a monster. :roll:

One day, sir, you and your liberal pals will come to realize that your lack of policies/plans and the "only the stupid....only nascar...only idiots..." rhetoric is what has caused you to lose total control of every facet of government...

Don't worry, it's an election year, things will change. And are you denying that a huge chunk of the Bushies are not the uber rich and/or some combination of Nascar watching, beer chugging, Confederate flag waving Christian fundies?

Racist a-hole.. If I said something similar about all Kerry supporters being 'poor black crack smoking welfare users' I would probably be tossed off the boards. Since its a rip at while males, its acceptable around here.

BTW, I am middle class, from the north, don't watch nascar, and don't go to church.. Beer is good though. And I support Bush.