Real-world impressions of going from P4 to AMD64 3200+...**UPDATE** Up and Running...FINALLY :)

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: sandorski
[Jeopardy theme]

 

[skace]

Man NSF4, that sounds like something that would happen to me whenever I buy a new PC. Looking forward to an update.

 

[NFS4]

Bah. Found out what part of the problem was...my damn USB 2.0 hub was causing the lockups. That thing has been nothing but trouble.

I even got the RAID array setup and went through the first portion of WinXP install...but when I do the first reboot, it says Windows could not start b/c the following file is missing /corrupt:

system32\hal.d11



Maybe XP doesn't know WTF processor it is

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: ahsia
I always say unless you are running applications that require insane amount of processing power, there is really no need for the TOP of the line processor. I can imagine something like a 2.4C P4 or a XP 2600+ can handle anything you throw at it. In the end, it is how much memory, and how fast your hard drive that will make any real world differences.

It has nothing to do with "need"... There's a new kid on the block (A64), and NFS4 just wants to play with him.

That sounded dirty

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fkloster
NFS4 is bored.... (its ok...I have been there before too...) Although I must say... I would never trade a top of the line Mitsubishi sports car for an RX-8 just because I got the spare change to do it... I'm currently very bored too and have the spare change but I'm just not sure what to do.

Bad example. The best Mitsubishi has to offer isn't in the same class as the RX-8, I know I just got one.


You havn't been to europe lately, have you

Bill

 

[Dug]

I think I fixed it. Got it working in regular sata mode.

Does that mean you loaded Windows without any problems with one drive?
So your problem would be with the raid controller.

and btw, I think there was something wrong with your old setup, or a bum chip. I have the IC7 and idle at 41c at 3.3Ghz with a Zalman.

 

[NFS4]

OK, after screwing around with this thing all night, I've finally gotten Windows installed.

(1) I could NOT get the RAID-0 to function. It would go through the first portion of Windows XP install, go through the first reboot, then say that the hal.dll file was missing.

(2) Setting up the drives in regular SATA mode and loading Windows XP would go through fine through the first reboot, then the WinXP splash screen would come up, then the green progress bar would just freeze.

(3) I decided to try JBOD (spanning?) and got the same problem as (2)

(4) I decided to disable the onboard USB 2.0 controller. BINGO!! (2) and (3) now work so I just finished installing WinXP in JBOD.

I'm gonna see if I can get down to what's going on with RAID-0 and the USB 2.0 controller, but if JBOD is working, RAID-0 should work as well

 

[Regs]

Thanks NFs4. I will now wait indefinably for better mobo support for the athlon 64.

 

[NFS4]

Well, I enabled the USB 2.0 controller again and it's working. It must have been conflicting with my TV tuner (both on IRQ12).

Now to solve the RAID-0 issue.

 

[flexy]

much luck nfs4 interesting thread !

 

[RanDum72]

Thanks NFs4. I will now wait indefinably for better mobo support for the athlon 64

Well, just wondering how an nforce3 board would fare in the 'easy to install' category......

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RanDum72

Thanks NFs4. I will now wait indefinably for better mobo support for the athlon 64

Well, just wondering how an nforce3 board would fare in the 'easy to install' category......

LOL. I'm gonna try again for RAID-0 tonight. But so far, it's been rock solid.

 

[thereaderrabbit]

NFS4- great read

 

[ssanches]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: RanDum72

Thanks NFs4. I will now wait indefinably for better mobo support for the athlon 64

Well, just wondering how an nforce3 board would fare in the 'easy to install' category......

LOL. I'm gonna try again for RAID-0 tonight. But so far, it's been rock solid.

NFS4, I was wondering why did you prefer the FIC board over the Gigabyte one? Gigabyte IMHO builds excellent boards and their boards are often used in the AMD reference systems. Also, apparently the anti-VIA trolls have got excited like vultures over a rotting carcas . I'm sure Pabster shall pick up the bait soon . I'm waiting for the benchies though .....

 

[Chadder007]

Did you ever contact FIC for any setup help??
Also did you get the regular Athlon64 or the FX version?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ssanches

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: RanDum72

Thanks NFs4. I will now wait indefinably for better mobo support for the athlon 64

Well, just wondering how an nforce3 board would fare in the 'easy to install' category......

LOL. I'm gonna try again for RAID-0 tonight. But so far, it's been rock solid.

NFS4, I was wondering why did you prefer the FIC board over the Gigabyte one? Gigabyte IMHO builds excellent boards and their boards are often used in the AMD reference systems. Also, apparently the anti-VIA trolls have got excited like vultures over a rotting carcas . I'm sure Pabster shall pick up the bait soon . I'm waiting for the benchies though .....

I got the FIC board b/c it came in the bundle with my Athlon64 3200+

http://www.accessmicro.com/content/products/productinfo.cfm?partnumber=AMBUNFICK8800TAAKT&product_id=47994

 

[flexy]

benchies ?

you got a longhorn beta ?

greets

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'LL never pay that kind of money for a chip when $80 2500+ bartons and $50 1700+ Pals are floating around.

That's like saying that I will never buy an Acura TL b/c a riced out Civic will do fine.

ahaha sweet!!!

 

[ROcHE]

So.. Is it fast ?

 

[flexy]

oh...FIC...that brings back memories..my first AMD CPU was a K6 350 running at 400 with a FIC 503+...it had a sh*tload of features and was one of the fastest mvp3 boards around.....

wonder how their mobo quality is now...soyo is said has significantly degraded (have a Dragon+ right now which is still great)...

sorry for being OT

I guess NFS4 is doing some benchies now or something....hmmm.....

 

[mechBgon]

NFS4, I recall reading a review in which they found that WinXP freaked out but a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed did not. Is your CD already including SP1? If not, you might slipstream it and burn a bootable WinXPSP1 CD for yourself.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
NFS4, I recall reading a review in which they found that WinXP freaked out but a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed did not. Is your CD already including SP1? If not, you might slipstream it and burn a bootable WinXPSP1 CD for yourself.

My copy of XP is already slipstreamed with SP1

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
i'm not itchin to beta test an OS when the non beta has enough trouble already.

And let's not get me started on the single game you can even use in 64bit *yawn*

Don't get me wrong it is a very promising chip, but I think that right now neither the price (which is way too high) or the lack of software is worth it.

Did I fvcking say that the single 64 bit game was a reason to build an Athlon64 System? No, so stfu. The lack of software doesn't affect the fact that it is the most powerful amd chip out, and doesn't cost much more than the AthlonXP 3200+. It is worth it if you are not short on money and game quite a bit.

1)I was talking for myself thank you
2)You need to take off your wife's thong underwear and maybe you'll feel better
3)It costs LOTS more than my P4 3.2Ghz system and LOTS more than any Xp 3200+ I could build
4)It's not worth it when I can kick your ass at UT2003 with less FPS. Sure you get 120fps, but my 110fps will not prevent me from blasting your sorry behind.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: fkloster
NFS4 is bored.... (its ok...I have been there before too...) Although I must say... I would never trade a top of the line Mitsubishi sports car for an RX-8 just because I got the spare change to do it... I'm currently very bored too and have the spare change but I'm just not sure what to do.

Bad example. The best Mitsubishi has to offer isn't in the same class as the RX-8, I know I just got one.

On-topic, if you do have the money, playing with a new technology is a great use of time. Until I got the RX-8 (BTW), I did have $600 a month to burn on PC stuff, but not anymore.

you have a Lancer EVO?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Challenger

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: vetteguy
I guess I really don't see the point of going from a top-of-the-line Intel setup to an Athlon64 system, at least not right now. The 3GHz system you have (had) should surely hang pretty close to the 64. I'm not hating on the 64, but I just think that it might have been a better use of your money to wait until you were ready to upgrade anyway.

(1) My P4 puts out an insane amount of heat...even with a Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu
(2) I upgrade my system every 4-6 months anyway
(3) I can afford it. Hell, I can cover the purchase of this upgrade alone on my rebate checks from all the crap I buy and sell on eBay from HotDeals/F@tWallet
(4) My total outlay will only be about $250 after I sell my processor + mobo
(5) I'd like to experiment a bit with 64-bit Windows XP as I should have a beta copy of it on the way

Concerning #1. How hot does the chip get? I thought that the P4s as a rule ran fairly cool

Idles at around 50C. I've seen it get up as 76C when encoding

LOL my P4 is never that high! even in summer heat in FL