I've seen way too many real-time strategy AIs take the easy way out by cheating; they frequently know where you are and they often "magically" get more money or resources than they collect. Know of any PC games that can give you a fair fight?
Real-time strategy game AI.
- Thread starter SchrodingersDog
- Start date
I *hate* playing against cheating AI.
Damn you Westwood! Not only can they easily do 15 things at once, they also cheat for tiberium! So frustrating. Nothing like wiping out their whole army and then having a BIGGER one attack you in 2 minutes. GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Games with AI for opponents were "fun" back in the day when I had 56k and didnt play online, but nowadays, the best gammage will be gotten online.
If youre looking for a great game thats easy to learn and hard to master, pickup Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne(expansion). The single player is pretty okish, and the AI isnt too cheap. The regular multiplayer however sucks ASS! Anyways, play custom maps. Like DotA, TDs, Paintball, MoP, and so on.
Damn you Westwood! Not only can they easily do 15 things at once, they also cheat for tiberium! So frustrating. Nothing like wiping out their whole army and then having a BIGGER one attack you in 2 minutes. GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Games with AI for opponents were "fun" back in the day when I had 56k and didnt play online, but nowadays, the best gammage will be gotten online.
If youre looking for a great game thats easy to learn and hard to master, pickup Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne(expansion). The single player is pretty okish, and the AI isnt too cheap. The regular multiplayer however sucks ASS! Anyways, play custom maps. Like DotA, TDs, Paintball, MoP, and so on.
I seem to recall age of empires "seeming" to not cheat. Same for total annihilation. You could watch them build up their empire in order to learn effective strategies.
TA was good, didn't cheat on resources, but did know where you were from the beginning. The first rush would always be at your base, the AI didn't have to scout like you did.
A great game I play once in a while is a turn based strategy called Massive Assault. It's sort a chess-like futuristic military game. If you suck, the AI will own you, but you can out-think the AI once you understand the strategy of a particular scenario.
AOE did scout though. They always send that one fscker all around the map, while your scout run after him, hopelessly trying to catch up.
Malak
Lifer
- Dec 4, 2004
- 14,696
- 2
- 0
I didn't have any real troubles until zero hour though. Hard on that is extremely hard. Medium though is kinda easy, so it's kinda a wierd spot for me. A friend and I played 2 vs 6 hard in vanilla generals and beat it no sweat, but zero hour... trouble with 2 vs 1.
AI for the Age series didn't cheat, AFAIK. On Hardest, they started with more resources, though.
On Age of Mythology at a certain timepoint in the game they will shutdown too.
On Age of Mythology at a certain timepoint in the game they will shutdown too.
Originally posted by: malak
How can they not cheat? Kind of hard to tell the computer to know where you are but not know at the same time. Like bots in an FPS. On hard difficulty they have aimbots basically. But how can you tell them to aim really well but not THAT well
No, it's actually really easy to make the AI completely ignore the fact that your player's location is stored somewhere in memory.
Easy. AI is a program not magic, it is code that uses exactly and only the information that you tell it to use. If the AI code looks up the location of your hidden units it cheats, if the code maintains a view of the map using the same "fog of war" the player operates under then it does not cheat.Originally posted by: malak
How can they not cheat? Kind of hard to tell the computer to know where you are but not know at the same time. Like bots in an FPS. On hard difficulty they have aimbots basically. But how can you tell them to aim really well but not THAT well
In a FPS, a realistic bot could be coded to send movement commands with only human speed and precision, and would use a current field of view similar to a human's.
Unfortunately, it's much easier to program AI to play at a given challenge level by cheating than it is by playing fair.
Phoenix86
Lifer
- May 21, 2003
- 14,644
- 10
- 81
Why play if the computer is using a different set of rules?
Chessmaster didn't cheat and I doubt many of us could be it on the hardest setting (not RTS, but I think you can see the point).
I will basicaly play on the hardest difficulty that doesn't cheat (most will not cheat bad until the highest level) and turn hidden maps off (since that's how the CPU is playing).
Damn straight...you knock out the first place guy with a shell and he falls to 8th place. With insane speed, he moves from last place to right back behind you and sometimes passes you. And then the damn AI gets powerups and items without having to run over those question mark boxes. What the hell?!!? Mario and Luigi were the worst AI opponents since they always used the star at every opportunity. Everyone else sucked too, seriously like 2-4 bananas, eggs, shells etc... per lap the AI can put down. And whats up with princess and toad being able to throw shrinking mushrooms at you...why couldn't I get the mushrooms as a powerup? :thumbsdown:
Hehe in spite of all the cheese from the AI, Mario Kart was one of the most fun games I ever playedhehe, ever play Age of Wonders the Wizards throne in the hard mode without cheating? it's virtually impossible to get past the 1st stage of the water sphere. without using cheat codes of somekind.
Originally posted by: NetWareHead
Damn straight...you knock out the first place guy with a shell and he falls to 8th place. With insane speed, he moves from last place to right back behind you and sometimes passes you. And then the damn AI gets powerups and items without having to run over those question mark boxes. What the hell?!!? Mario and Luigi were the worst AI opponents since they always used the star at every opportunity. Everyone else sucked too, seriously like 2-4 bananas, eggs, shells etc... per lap the AI can put down. And whats up with princess and toad being able to throw shrinking mushrooms at you...why couldn't I get the mushrooms as a powerup? :thumbsdown:
Didn't humans also get the benefit of the catchup cheat? Or was that only in the recent version?
Phoenix86
Lifer
- May 21, 2003
- 14,644
- 10
- 81
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: NetWareHead
Damn straight...you knock out the first place guy with a shell and he falls to 8th place. With insane speed, he moves from last place to right back behind you and sometimes passes you. And then the damn AI gets powerups and items without having to run over those question mark boxes. What the hell?!!? Mario and Luigi were the worst AI opponents since they always used the star at every opportunity. Everyone else sucked too, seriously like 2-4 bananas, eggs, shells etc... per lap the AI can put down. And whats up with princess and toad being able to throw shrinking mushrooms at you...why couldn't I get the mushrooms as a powerup? :thumbsdown:
Didn't humans also get the benefit of the catchup cheat? Or was that only in the recent version?
Most racing games will "cheat" for the player behind so it's competitve(IE your max speed is always faster than they person in front of you), IIRC mario kart did this too. You didnt get the free powerups though, and that's a BIG difference. I'm sure the computer's max speed is also faster than a player in the same position, and it's almost always CPU vs. player no matter how many CPU players there are. Sure they will fight eachother some, but not like they go after you.
The Warcraft 3 AI is about as fair as you can get, as long as you don't set it for "Insane" difficulty. (It gets 2x resources.)
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 21K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter