Real life "Hot Shots" gone tragic

whm1974

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Christ!!! This was a failure of the Senior Leadership alright. As much money as the US spends on its Armed Forces, supplying proper parts for Jet Fighters shouldn't be a problem as well as making sure the pilots are meeting the flight requirements. What the Hell is going on?
 

skyking

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That's a very interesting article that I'll follow up on. A pilot should be able to self-certify as unfit for a flight based on requirements. The ultimate backstop should be the pilot himself. I know that I would not be the rear seater with a guy that had only 4 hours of current flight time on a complex night Mission like this one. Given the culture, I can see how that won't work. It's that culture that's precisely the problem. The top-down nature of command totally fucks up feedback from the people who put their asses on the line.
The failures in maintenance and safety equipment are mind-boggling as often as they happen in our military.
I found the flight data information to be very telling, as a flight instructor.
His habitual right pedal should have been drummed out of him by then, a good flight instructor rests his feet on the rear set and monitors everything a student does. In the article they addressed it as a sign of stress, but an instructor puts a hell of a lot of stress on students and should weed that kind of thing out before you ever went into combat duty.
The turn coordinator is just an instrument to calibrate your ass and his ass should have been calibrated by then. A near centerline thrust jet like the F-18 should just about be feet on the floor in straight and level.
When you set aside all the other failures, that right pedal was really telling. When you do formation flight you use uncoordinated or cross controls to change position. In other words right pedal and left stick sets up a forward slip that moves you sideways in relation to the formation plane next to you. The flight data recorder documented that he was uncoordinated most of the time in his flight. Once he disconnected from the hose he lost his reference and it was a setup for failure.
That in no way takes away from the missed responsibilities of his command structure, it's just another part of it.
For me the most egregious thing was the lack of safety cover. A similar mission flown from a carrier would have had a helicopter hot on deck for that sort of thing and their asses were just hung out.
 

amd6502

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Christ!!! This was a failure of the Senior Leadership alright. As much money as the US spends on its Armed Forces, supplying proper parts for Jet Fighters shouldn't be a problem as well as making sure the pilots are meeting the flight requirements. What the Hell is going on?

Upper management completely messing up doesn't really shock me at all. But sitting in a jet that's smashing right into (the wing?) of a JP tanker is unreal.

The coast guard or whoever had the chance to rescue that badly injured pilot are complete wussies and messed up very very badly. They were on a ship, with the pilot (probably in a coma) right there, but they failed to haul him onboard and called for a helicopter to try instead. That completely ridiculous decision probably cost the pilot his life.

When you set aside all the other failures, that right pedal was really telling.

Yes it does seem like he was not trained properly and was not well qualified for the exercise. And being sleep deprived to the degree of being legally intoxicated was definitely a factor on top of that. He caused the accident. There were many failures in the rescue.

As for the tanker crew, they were doomed at the point of the collision. I'm not sure if there could have been better (faster) communication between the tanker pilots and the rest of the crew that had an eye on the F-18 to avoid the collision. There were likely only seconds, maybe moments only, from the point where anyone noticed anything and the collision.
 
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