Real issues real solutions

[aniepras]

We have seen Last Rezort?s idea of a better world which was both funny and sad. Unfortunately for her it probably blew all her credibility if she ever had any.

In this topic I would like to start looking at real issues plaguing the US and ideas/suggestions people have. I expect you to have an idea of your own before you bash someone else?s idea.

I will start off with the first topic: US Prison System

State governments carry an estimated $40 billion a year tab to operate their prison systems, an expense that often competes with the financial needs of education and other social services, according to a press release from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.
I suggest prisons become self sufficient as they were in the old days. I think this can be done by offering companies that have been exporting work to China (such as the textile industry) incentives to have criminals manufacture the goods. This could help three fold, we take away profit from China, we teach inmates a skill plus offer them a low salary, and the prisons make money.
If prisoners cause problems or choose not to work they are moved to a maximum security prison with no TV, gym, basketball or any other luxuries prisoners currently have.
Aside from prisons being self sufficient I also believe prisoners should be required to pass a test like the on people take to get there GED. That said we need to educate them and understanding the difficulty finding teachers I recommend offering inmates with some education incentives to teach the others. After all aren?t prisons supposed to be used to rehabilitate people? How can Prisoners make it in the world without a basic education?

I also think companies should be offered tax breaks for hiring people coming out of prison.

Hopefully, my plan would help cut prison operation cost by helping prisons be more self sufficient and by reducing the number of habitual inmates by actually trying to rehabilitate them.

Enjoy, and remember if you can?t come up with a better idea or at-least suggestions to improve an idea don?t waste our time with your quibble.

 

[conjur]

So, the ol' teach a man how to fish sort of thing? Can't say I disagree.

It would require more money, though, in order to setup those capabilities. You'll also have to worry about the political ramifications of work release programs to allow prisoners out of jail to work. Willie Horton type incidents would kill any plan like that in a heartbeat.

I've long thought many prisoners are capable of rehabilitation but there are plenty who just won't be receptive. Those will have to be weeded out to prevent abuse and misuse of the new system.

 

[Moonbeam]

I prefer the low cost of the Saudi Prison system, with the addition, in the case of white collar crime, you lose not your hand but your dick.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I prefer the low cost of the Saudi Prison system, with the addition, in the case of white collar crime, you lose not your hand but your dick.

Sorry, I have to agree with Moonie.

Most habitual Criminals are "Habitual" for a reason.

You can't change a Leopard's spots.

 

[aniepras]

Actually the idea is to build manufacturing plants inside the prison.

As for the politics of it all we both know real solutions don't get passed. Politicians are could care less about a problem that doesn?t make them money or a vote. So we would have to get the majority of people behind any good ideas.

 

[aniepras]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I prefer the low cost of the Saudi Prison system, with the addition, in the case of white collar crime, you lose not your hand but your dick.

Sorry, I have to agree with Moonie.

Most habitual Criminals are "Habitual" for a reason.

You can't change a Leopard's spots.

I agree as well I am a firm believer of the death penalty. This would be for the petty criminals.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: aniepras
Actually the idea is to build manufacturing plants inside the prison.

:Q You have any idea how much that would cost? The environmental impact? Zoning change requirements? Transportation infrastructure changes? Security concerns?

As for the politics of it all we both know real solutions don't get passed. Politicians are could care less about a problem that doesn?t make them money or a vote. So we would have to get the majority of people behind any good ideas.

"couldn't care less" but, yeah, I agree.

 

[ciba]

We could cut the costs of the prison system and give China even more business by outsourcing to China! No capital investment required.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: aniepras

We have seen Last Rezort?s idea of a better world which was both funny and sad. Unfortunately for her it probably blew all her credibility if she ever had any.

In this topic I would like to start looking at real issues plaguing the US and ideas/suggestions people have. I expect you to have an idea of your own before you bash someone else?s idea.

I will start off with the first topic: US Prison System

State governments carry an estimated $40 billion a year tab to operate their prison systems, an expense that often competes with the financial needs of education and other social services, according to a press release from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.
I suggest prisons become self sufficient as they were in the old days. I think this can be done by offering companies that have been exporting work to China (such as the textile industry) incentives to have criminals manufacture the goods. This could help three fold, we take away profit from China, we teach inmates a skill plus offer them a low salary, and the prisons make money.
If prisoners cause problems or choose not to work they are moved to a maximum security prison with no TV, gym, basketball or any other luxuries prisoners currently have.
Aside from prisons being self sufficient I also believe prisoners should be required to pass a test like the on people take to get there GED. That said we need to educate them and understanding the difficulty finding teachers I recommend offering inmates with some education incentives to teach the others. After all aren?t prisons supposed to be used to rehabilitate people? How can Prisoners make it in the world without a basic education?

I also think companies should be offered tax breaks for hiring people coming out of prison.

Hopefully, my plan would help cut prison operation cost by helping prisons be more self sufficient and by reducing the number of habitual inmates by actually trying to rehabilitate them.

Enjoy, and remember if you can?t come up with a better idea or at-least suggestions to improve an idea don?t waste our time with your quibble.

Nice thread with some good, workable ideas. Vastly preferable to the pendantic ravings of a madman (woman?! Really?! SAD!!) who'd just love to implement a system of enslavement, murder and institutionalized poverty in order to bring about "Utopia".

Good job.

Jason

 

[Last Rezort]

Id first like to say im not a woman and yes my penis is firmly attached to my body.

That being said......
wait thats it.

 

[Last Rezort]

Ok first off i think people are taking my wimsical musings much to far. I KNOW IT WOULDNT WORK.
Heres an idea though that i believe would save our country billions.
Leagalize drugs.

think about it, we spend tons of cash every year in the prevention of drugs into the country. All facts up to now show it is not working. The dealers are just finding faster boats and much more clever ways of shipping it in.

The awnser? Educate the public on the diffrent drugs out there, and i dont mean the crappy dare classes that we used to see in schools.
I know that for me when the dare officer brought in that big brief case full of drugs and said you souldnt do it, purely because it was bad, i had to do it. Why are these people so agenst the use of drugs. Give me a better reason beyond the fact Jonny law says so.

I believe if the public was educated, and drugs became easy to procure, prices would drop and we might even see a decline. Why is it that the statistics show that drug use is highest among the uneducated and poor?

We really are acomplishing very little with the whole, keep them out thing.
For the concervitives, we might even have more money to keep the mexicans out of texas, and i know you texans love that idea.

 

[ntdz]

I actually really like your prison system becoming self sufficient idea a lot. I don't know why they aren't already doing that.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok first off i think people are taking my wimsical musings much to far. I KNOW IT WOULDNT WORK.
Heres an idea though that i believe would save our country billions.
Leagalize drugs.

think about it, we spend tons of cash every year in the prevention of drugs into the country. All facts up to now show it is not working. The dealers are just finding faster boats and much more clever ways of shipping it in.

The awnser? Educate the public on the diffrent drugs out there, and i dont mean the crappy dare classes that we used to see in schools.
I know that for me when the dare officer brought in that big brief case full of drugs and said you souldnt do it, purely because it was bad, i had to do it. Why are these people so agenst the use of drugs. Give me a better reason beyond the fact Jonny law says so.

I believe if the public was educated, and drugs became easy to procure, prices would drop and we might even see a decline. Why is it that the statistics show that drug use is highest among the uneducated and poor?

We really are acomplishing very little with the whole, keep them out thing.
For the concervitives, we might even have more money to keep the mexicans out of texas, and i know you texans love that idea.

Yeah, we can tell you did drugs.

I have NEVER done any drug of any kind that wasn't prescribed by a doctor for an illness (aspirin and allergy medication notwithstanding, obviously). Why? Because they DESTROY a person. I had parents who were drug addicts and I watched them destroy themselves as a result. I have sisters who are morons and drug addicts doing the same thing, and you know what? They're idiots. People who do drugs are STUPID people with little or no sense of SELF-WORTH. Yes, better drug education is a good idea. Yes, people SHOULD be free to do them if they choose and as long as they don't give or sell them to minors or destroy or harm others and their property while under the influence. However, that's hardly a SOLUTION to any major real problems.

Jason

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I actually really like your prison system becoming self sufficient idea a lot. I don't know why they aren't already doing that.

They were doing that before and i would assume they dont still do it because it doesnt work. Also think about the ecconomy. With swarms of new cheap labor the prison system would put lots of people out of work.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Last Rezort
Ok first off i think people are taking my wimsical musings much to far. I KNOW IT WOULDNT WORK.
Heres an idea though that i believe would save our country billions.
Leagalize drugs.

think about it, we spend tons of cash every year in the prevention of drugs into the country. All facts up to now show it is not working. The dealers are just finding faster boats and much more clever ways of shipping it in.

The awnser? Educate the public on the diffrent drugs out there, and i dont mean the crappy dare classes that we used to see in schools.
I know that for me when the dare officer brought in that big brief case full of drugs and said you souldnt do it, purely because it was bad, i had to do it. Why are these people so agenst the use of drugs. Give me a better reason beyond the fact Jonny law says so.

I believe if the public was educated, and drugs became easy to procure, prices would drop and we might even see a decline. Why is it that the statistics show that drug use is highest among the uneducated and poor?

We really are acomplishing very little with the whole, keep them out thing.
For the concervitives, we might even have more money to keep the mexicans out of texas, and i know you texans love that idea.

Yeah, we can tell you did drugs.

I have NEVER done any drug of any kind that wasn't prescribed by a doctor for an illness (aspirin and allergy medication notwithstanding, obviously). Why? Because they DESTROY a person. I had parents who were drug addicts and I watched them destroy themselves as a result. I have sisters who are morons and drug addicts doing the same thing, and you know what? They're idiots. People who do drugs are STUPID people with little or no sense of SELF-WORTH. Yes, better drug education is a good idea. Yes, people SHOULD be free to do them if they choose and as long as they don't give or sell them to minors or destroy or harm others and their property while under the influence. However, that's hardly a SOLUTION to any major real problems.

Jason

Im not sure but i think we are agreeing with each other, and i agree it will solve no real problem but the tons of money we waste every year because idiots want to get high and we dont want them to.

 

[sandorski]

I disagree with the OP, especially with the intent to counter act Jobs to China. The problem with the concept is that it is then an incentive to send people to Prison and it is also an incentive to send them to Prison for longer periods of time. It will confuse the concept of Justice and likely lead to little more than Slave Labour Camps. Add in that so many Prisons in the US are already Privately owned and the potential for shenanigans increases greatly.

That said, having more Self Sufficient Prisons is not an entirely bad idea, but not with the Philosophical underpinnings of the OP.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I actually really like your prison system becoming self sufficient idea a lot. I don't know why they aren't already doing that.

The only problem I'd have with a self-sustaining prison system is that it would begin to have a potential not only for being self-sufficient, but also for profit. Once that happens, greed steps in and there becomes a real danger of shortcuts and rule "bending," same as in the outside world. But the consequences of marrying profit with the prison/law-enforcement system could be disastrous. Perhaps if rules were set in place that all prisons must be "non-profit," something like this could be workable.


As far as rehabilitation goes, I believe we need some sort of prison hierarchy. I know we have minimum security vs federal PMitA prisons, but I'm thinking of something a bit more detailed. Something akin to schools where prisoners must "graduate" to the next level of rehabilitation, with more rewards (or less restrictions, as the case may be.) The sentencing phase of a trial would determine at which level the prisoner would be inserted and his/her behavior and rehabilitation progress would affect whether he moved up or down the chain.

I don't know a whole lot about the current prison system, so these are just some off-the-cuff ideas.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aniepras

I also think companies should be offered tax breaks for hiring people coming out of prison.

Gas Stations and Convenience Stores would really reap the benefits!