Real IP on a NetGear RT314??

[fondoo]

i am currently running two computers with a netgear rt314 router with a roadrunner cable internet.
i know the real IP is split into two fake IP with the router, but is there anyway i can bypass the fake IP and enter to my computer?? i seem to also have problems with people upload files to me through icq with the router. i cant seem to run my ftpserver G6 pgrm with the router also. are there any software out there that someone can recommend? please let me know. thanks!
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[RichieZ]

you have to forward the correct ports to the right comptuer

 

[SharkB8]

Ok, here is what you need to do to make you FTP server work. Telnet into your router and go to Menu 15, SUA/NAT. Drop down to the second line (the first should say something like "Default&quot and enter the IP address the RT314 assigned the computer you want to use for your FTP server and enter 21 for the port #. Don't even try to use a non-standard port # because NAT will screw up anything other than port 21 for an FTP server with this router. Next, go to Menu 21, Filter Set Configuration and select filter set #3. There will be 3 filter rules in this set and the one you need to modify is the one for port 21, FTP. Select this filter rule and tab down to "Action Matched" and change it to "Forward" instead of "Drop". Tab to the bottom and hit enter until you back your way out to the main menu and end your telnet session. Your FTP server will now work.



<< is there anyway i can bypass the fake IP and enter to my computer?? >>


I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you want to access your system from work or from some other remote location? If so, need to set up what is called a static route through your router. This is done using Menu 12. This is covered in the Netgear Manual that you can download here. It is highly recommended that you read it entirely as it should have come with the router but didn't.

 

[osage]

excellent post Shark, very well done.

 

[SharkB8]

Thank you.

 

[fondoo]

doesnt seem to be working. i've followed your instructions and ran the G6 ftpserver.
i tried cuteftp and login into my computer, using the IP issued from the router, but
has no luck. any idea??

 

[SharkB8]

Just to clarify, you are trying to access your server from outside your network? Is this correct? If so, don't use the IP address issued to the FTP server by your router. You need to use the WAN IP address issued to you by your Internet Service Provider and the port forwarding that you setup will get the request where it needs to go.
If you don't know your WAN IP address, telnet into your router and go to Menu 24, option 1.

 

[cmdavid]

I dont know if you know what hotline is Shark or anybody that may be able to answer this but you seem pretty knowledgeable..
Hotline is sort of an FTP server but its specified port number is 5500... i can do the port forwarding part but i dont know what go do about the filters...anybody??

 

[fondoo]

Shark,
i found my WAN IP address? how do i setup a port, so it can forward to my router ip?
i'm new to routers. thank in advance.

 

[SharkB8]

sandigga- No, I don't know what Hotline is and I need a little more information to help you. Is this an application that you are running on your system to setup an FTP server? If so, and it is a true FTP server application your router may have problems with it. The RT314 seems to screw up any FTP server running on a non-standard port other than TCP port 21. If you are just trying to download files from Hotline or someone running Hotline then you should have no problems. Either way you should not have to modify the default filters. The only reason that you should need to ever do that is if you want to grant access from the outside to FTP(21), Web(80), or telnet(23). Give me a bit more specific info and if I can't help you, I'll get you to those that can.

fondoo- Follow my first post in this thread. If you are not sure exactly how to telnet in to your router we'll get you through that. If you set up everything as I have outlined, when someone wants to get to your FTP server you need to give them your WAN IP address not the IP your router has assigned your FTP server. When they do that the port forwarding you set up will get them where they need to go. Give it a shot and get back with me.

 

[cmdavid]

thanks... Hotline is a software that you can install on your computer that allows you to host a server... You can download either the client software or the server software.. both are free and can be found at hotlinesw.com.... anyways..

its sort of an FTP server except that the files that you want to be visible and available for download you put in a folder called &quot;files&quot; in the hotline server directory and those are the files that people w/ this hotline client software can download from you w/ special login/password... its sort of a trade software... and people can upload to you... the specified port for this software is 5500... and it also specifies its own ip address.... which is 65.80.89.119... so, with that said... anything you can do to help??

also... shark... if you make youd make your profile available id like to rate you a 10... i really appreciate your help.. thanks

 

[SharkB8]

So, are you able to download from Hotline as things are right now?

 

[cmdavid]

I can download fine from other people... only problem is people cant download from my server.. some people cant even access my server....

 

[SharkB8]

sandigga- If Hotline is sending files back and forth via FTP and the only option is to run your server using it over TCP port 5500, the RT314 may have a problem with that. As I said, this router has a problem with running an FTP server over anything but the standard TCP port 21. Try using SUA/NAT menu 15 to port forward port 5500 to the IP address of the machine you are trying to use for an FTP server. This is the IP that the router assigned this computer, not your WAN IP. No filter mods will be needed for this. If it doesn't work then I would look to see if Hotline has a passive mode that would allow you to transfer files over port 21 because the router is probably having problems with FTP over port 5500.
If passive mode is not available then I would go with a different FTP server application. This is probably not what you want to hear but it is the best I can do. Let us all know if any of this work for you.

 

[cmdavid]

Shark... man..i really appreciate your help...
here's my new problem... apparently the WAN ip address given from hotline changes everytime i put my server up so is it even an option to use the WAN ip anywhere... also... i checked up on Hotline using port 21 for transferring files and that doesnt seem to be a possibility.. althought it says i can use any port higher than 5500 as long as i specify it.. thus meaning that hotline is a little bit more flexible than i had thought....but... i also found that they specifically say not to use any port between 1 and 1023.. so that sucks... however i am still waiting for a reply from a hotline admin....

I tried using SUA/NAT w/ port 5500 and my ip address provided by the router... 192.168.... and so forth... that was one of the first things i tried that actually made my server visible on the hotline trackers but just not accessible to everybody and even to those who could access it.... they couldnt download from it... so nobody has been able to download from my server yet... which is sad but true...

as much as i hate to say it....seems as though im probably going to have to use a different FTP application...

 

[SharkB8]

sandigga- The reason your WAN IP keeps changing is because your cable service is dynamic. This means that your provider will change you IP periodically. How often this happens is dependant on the provider. Mine changes about once every 3-4 months. It sounds like yours changes on nearly a daily basis. Why do they do this you ask? I think that at first it was to deter customers from running Web/FTP sites. Dynamic DNS took care of the first problem but the problem with FTP still exists. The benefit of dynamic service for us is that if you are having attempts on your system on your current IP address, when it changes hopefully the problem is gone (at least for the time being).
If you run an FTP server the only way it is really affective on dynamic service is if you share your WAN IP with your immediate circle of friends and they use it until the IP changes. Then you share the new one, and so on.

 

[fondoo]

shark,

using cuteftp, i've tried to ftp back to my ftpserver, but i'm curious to know is..
why i dont see the files shared. the only 2 files i see is..RAS and ROM-0. do you know
what these files are?

 

[SharkB8]

fondoo- This concerns me because ras is your firmware file and rom-0 is the file that sets all fields to default settings, both for your router. If you can see these when you try to FTP in to your server from the outside then something is not right. Did you port forward to to the IP address of the computer that is your FTP server via menu 15?? Did you modify the filters as I said?? My speculation is that you have entered the IP address of the router, 192.168.0.1, in menu 15. If you only have one system hooked to your router and you haven't changed anything from the default settings, the IP entered should be 192.168.0.2. Check this out immediately.

 

[fondoo]

i double checked and all the settings were modified as you indicated. on menu15, #1 is default and #2 is the IP given by my router..192.168.0.4
whats strange is, i am able to ftp to my own ftpserver here, but when i tell friends to ftpserver, they are not able to login.

 

[SharkB8]

fondoo- Did you modify the filter set that I said you needed to? If you did, then I am going to refer you here to ask your question as I have taken you as far as I can and have run out of options. Sorry, I did my best. Make sure that when you ask your question that you outline everything you have done in detail. They will probably want to know what firmware you are running and that can be found in menu 24, option 1. You may even want to reference this thread here at Anandtech. There are plenty of people at that site that are over qualified to help you out. PM me and let me know what your username is there so that I can see how this problem is solved. Good luck!

 

[fondoo]

hey sharkb8, sent you a PM.

 

[SharkB8]

Check you PM.

 

[fondoo]

sharkb8,

no PM was received.

 

[SharkB8]

Check again.