Reagan’s Son: Trump’s Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President

[Indus]

“The most important thing to them is that Trump seems to hate the same people they hate,” Ron Reagan says.

The son of former President Ronald Reagan believes Donald Trump’s political base is so consumed by hatred for the Democrats that they would vote for Vladimir Putin to be America’s president instead of virtually any member of that party.

“They really aren’t in touch with reality. The most important thing to them [is that Trump] seems to hate the same people that they hate,” Ron Reagan told Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s “Hardball” on Thursday. “That’s the real Trump derangement syndrome.”


On the other hand, they like the people Trump likes, Reagan said. Russian President Putin’s popularity is rising, he noted.

“If it was left just up to Trump’s base, they would elect Vladimir Putin as president of the United States over virtually anybody with a D after their name,” he added. “If Trump seems to love Putin, they’ll love Putin, too.”

A revved-up Matthews groused that if President Barack Obama had committed an antic like one of Trump’s, he “would have been keelhauled.”

Reagan responded: “You’re absolutely right. No previous president could have gotten away with even a tenth of the things that Donald Trump has.”



Like I said before.. R.I.P. USA.. we're no longer 1 country and that will not change. Do you really expect them to start liking liberals and singing kumbaya? We're headed towards an ugly divorce and the longer we have to put up with each other, the uglier it will get.

 

[pauldun170]

Donald Trump’s political base is so consumed by hatred for the Democrats that they would vote for Vladimir Putin to be America’s president instead of virtually any member of that party.

Accurate statement.

 

[dank69]

This is true of every single election in the US down to dog catcher.

 

[Vic]

Glenn already said exactly this in a thread last week.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The most important point made wasn't about Trump or his followers, but right at the end. Who is the leader among the Democrats?

No one. That has to change and soon.

 

[Vic]

The most important point made wasn't about Trump or his followers, but right at the end. Who is the leader among the Democrats?

No one. That has to change and soon.

Hard to change what's always been.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hard to change what's always been.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers

I would take issue with Will.

FDR
JFK
Obama
Hugh Humphrey

and others.

Most leaders have disappeared though and now the Dem party leadership hasn't anyone but becomes a ship without a rudder. Independence is vital however so is leadership in a time of crisis.

 

[realibrad]

I would take issue with Will.

FDR
JFK
Obama
Hugh Humphrey

and others.

Most leaders have disappeared though and now the Dem party leadership hasn't anyone but becomes a ship without a rudder. Independence is vital however so is leadership in a time of crisis.

Its hard to have a leader of a party that is not about individuals. The Right likes to build structures and systems to find winners to run things. The Left think that is unfair and or bad because it gives power over others.

Look at Obama. He came out nowhere as most other Dems have. Different beliefs cause different incentives and outcomes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Its hard to have a leader of a party that is not about individuals. The Right likes to build structures and systems to find winners to run things. The Left think that is unfair and or bad because it gives power over others.

Look at Obama. He came out nowhere as most other Dems have. Different beliefs cause different incentives and outcomes.

Not disagreeing, yet someone stood up in times where it was needed. FDR, the Great Depression. JFK, the post WWII Soviet threat and so on. I would say we face a crisis of similar magnitude internally equivalent and getting worse. We are at war for our nation, threats foreign and domestic, and so we need to adapt to the threat.

 

[UNCjigga]

I would take issue with Will.

FDR
JFK
Obama
Hugh Humphrey

and others.

Most leaders have disappeared though and now the Dem party leadership hasn't anyone but becomes a ship without a rudder. Independence is vital however so is leadership in a time of crisis.

Obama has a dismal record as leader of the Democratic Party. Sure, he polled very well amongst Democrats throughout both terms and got along with both centrists and left-wing liberals.

But, his legacy is one of failed candidates at state and local levels, of the Midwest abandoning the Democratic Party, and losing the most statehouses and governorships of any 2 term President.

 

[fskimospy]

“The most important thing to them is that Trump seems to hate the same people they hate,” Ron Reagan says.

The son of former President Ronald Reagan believes Donald Trump’s political base is so consumed by hatred for the Democrats that they would vote for Vladimir Putin to be America’s president instead of virtually any member of that party.

“They really aren’t in touch with reality. The most important thing to them [is that Trump] seems to hate the same people that they hate,” Ron Reagan told Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s “Hardball” on Thursday. “That’s the real Trump derangement syndrome.”


On the other hand, they like the people Trump likes, Reagan said. Russian President Putin’s popularity is rising, he noted.

“If it was left just up to Trump’s base, they would elect Vladimir Putin as president of the United States over virtually anybody with a D after their name,” he added. “If Trump seems to love Putin, they’ll love Putin, too.”

A revved-up Matthews groused that if President Barack Obama had committed an antic like one of Trump’s, he “would have been keelhauled.”

Reagan responded: “You’re absolutely right. No previous president could have gotten away with even a tenth of the things that Donald Trump has.”



Like I said before.. R.I.P. USA.. we're no longer 1 country and that will not change. Do you really expect them to start liking liberals and singing kumbaya? We're headed towards an ugly divorce and the longer we have to put up with each other, the uglier it will get.

Obama would indeed have been keelhauled but it would be because of Democrats. The reason why Trump gets away with all this is because Republicans in Congress wake up every day and choose to let him get away with it. People always try to #bothsides this sort of thing but I find it highly unlikely Democrats would have allowed Obama to get away with similar things in 2009 or 2010.

 

[realibrad]

Not disagreeing, yet someone stood up in times where it was needed. FDR, the Great Depression. JFK, the post WWII Soviet threat and so on. I would say we face a crisis of similar magnitude internally equivalent and getting worse. We are at war for our nation, threats foreign and domestic, and so we need to adapt to the threat.

The problem is that the Left is not even close to the party that elected JFK. JFK could not get elected today for how he was with women alone.

But, the party of the Left is not about picking a single leader until the last moment. Those that you listed would be more conservative today.

You are right that we are in trouble, but, the Left is going to have a very hard time finding someone given how it is currently.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Obama has a dismal record as leader of the Democratic Party. Sure, he polled very well amongst Democrats throughout both terms and got along with both centrists and left-wing liberals.

But, his legacy is one of failed candidates at state and local levels, of the Midwest abandoning the Democratic Party, and losing the most statehouses and governorships of any 2 term President.

Perhaps Obama should not have been on my list but I was fishing for someone newer than half a century back and at least he was a focal point that some could identify with over the "birthers".

 

[Vic]

Its hard to have a leader of a party that is not about individuals. The Right likes to build structures and systems to find winners to run things. The Left think that is unfair and or bad because it gives power over others.

Look at Obama. He came out nowhere as most other Dems have. Different beliefs cause different incentives and outcomes.

LOL. Your straw men are hilarious as always.
The Right isn't about individuals. In fact, the Right hates individuality and non-conformity, as represented in their tribalistic attitudes towards any outsiders, like liberals, minorities, immigrants, infidels, etc. They do present a facade of individuality through strongman cult of personality authoritarian figures, but that's only there to enforce their groupthink.
You are correct that the left doesn't like individuals to have unjust power over others, but that's because of their belief in individuality, not in spite of it.

 

[soulcougher73]

The most important point made wasn't about Trump or his followers, but right at the end. Who is the leader among the Democrats?

No one. That has to change and soon.

I agree with this. The dem party needs to wake up and attack and be unified and strong. Im not seeing that right now.

 

[hal2kilo]

I would take issue with Will.

FDR
JFK
Obama
Hugh Humphrey

and others.

Most leaders have disappeared though and now the Dem party leadership hasn't anyone but becomes a ship without a rudder. Independence is vital however so is leadership in a time of crisis.

How would you like to face the hideous onslaught of a foul shit stream, reinforced with Russian Bots, and America's useful idiots. It's as it you don't want to end up in the pig pen with the fuck, you would basically have to ignore him as an opponent. Who wants to put up with that shit. The political discourse in this country is in the sewer. You want to volunteer for that duty. Why do you think no democrats have thrown their hat into the ring yet. You are running against a foul human being with no one who has told him in his entire life he's a fucking discusting human being, and a following that has given up any pretense of acting like civilized people. Who needs that shit.

 

[realibrad]

LOL. Your straw men are hilarious as always.
The Right isn't about individuals. In fact, the Right hates individuality and non-conformity, as represented in their tribalistic attitudes towards any outsiders, like liberals, minorities, immigrants, infidels, etc. They do present a facade of individuality through strongman cult of personality authoritarian figures, but that's only there to enforce their groupthink.
You are correct that the left doesn't like individuals to have unjust power over others, but that's because of their belief in individuality, not in spite of it.

You misunderstand what they are doing. I never said they were concerned about individuality as in being different and unique. What the Right likes are leaders that they can follow. Strongest, smartest, best looking ect. The Right likes systems where people compete to be the best, and then those are the leaders.

The Left does not like that type of system. The left is against power structures as they can become corrupt. The left does not like individuals having power even if that power was gained through just means. Its why you see people on the Left calling for breaking up power from people that gained it through capitalism.

tl;dr

The Right likes competition and systems that filter for the "best" so they can follow that person/people.

The Left dislikes systems that give power to individuals over others.

 

[hal2kilo]

You misunderstand what they are doing. I never said they were concerned about individuality as in being different and unique. What the Right likes are leaders that they can follow. Strongest, smartest, best looking ect. The Right likes systems where people compete to be the best, and then those are the leaders.

The Left does not like that type of system. The left is against power structures as they can become corrupt. The left does not like individuals having power even if that power was gained through just means. Its why you see people on the Left calling for breaking up power from people that gained it through capitalism.

tl;dr

The Right likes competition and systems that filter for the "best" so they can follow that person/people.

The Left dislikes systems that give power to individuals over others.

Thanks for the story about liberals. I'll have to tell it to my grandchildren sometime. Know it all.

 

[fskimospy]

The problem is that the Left is not even close to the party that elected JFK. JFK could not get elected today for how he was with women alone.

But, the party of the Left is not about picking a single leader until the last moment. Those that you listed would be more conservative today.

You are right that we are in trouble, but, the Left is going to have a very hard time finding someone given how it is currently.

Hot take - JFK was a bad president and we should be happy if we never get another one of him. He wasn't even president for three years and he presided over the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, brushed us up against nuclear annihilation, and got us involved in Vietnam.

FDR and Obama are examples of good leaders and clearly the left is okay with electing them as...well... they just did that with Obama twice.

 

[realibrad]

Thanks for the story about liberals. I'll have to tell it to my grandchildren sometime. Know it all.

What was your goal there?

The Left have always and will always have trouble picking an individual compared to the Right.

Your grandchildren should understand why that is and now its not really a bad thing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How would you like to face the hideous onslaught of a foul shit stream, reinforced with Russian Bots, and America's useful idiots. It's as it you don't want to end up in the pig pen with the fuck, you would basically have to ignore him as an opponent. Who wants to put up with that shit. The political discourse in this country is in the sewer. You want to volunteer for that duty. Why do you think no democrats have thrown their hat into the ring yet. You are running against a foul human being with no one who has told him in his entire life he's a fucking discusting human being, and a following that has given up any pretense of acting like civilized people. Who needs that shit.

Then get out and give the job to those with balls, or roll over and become the Rep's poodle.

As far as "throwing a hat into a ring" that's not necessary.

Push this guy

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-candidate-arrested-child-immigrant-center-992047

How about a sitting Senator?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...4503d041eaf_video.html?utm_term=.d1c5e7148f4d

"Politics is mean" is not a satisfactory nor acceptable response.

 

[hal2kilo]

Then get out and give the job to those with balls, or roll over and become the Rep's poodle.

As far as "throwing a hat into a ring" that's not necessary.

Push this guy

https://www.newsweek.com/democratic-candidate-arrested-child-immigrant-center-992047

How about a sitting Senator?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...4503d041eaf_video.html?utm_term=.d1c5e7148f4d

"Politics is mean" is not a satisfactory nor acceptable response.

You think the political dialog in the 2016 was just mean? We all witnessed human behavior never seen in a political campaign before.

 

[realibrad]

Hot take - JFK was a bad president and we should be happy if we never get another one of him. He wasn't even president for three years and he presided over the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, brushed us up against nuclear annihilation, and got us involved in Vietnam.

FDR and Obama are examples of good leaders and clearly the left is okay with electing them as...well... they just did that with Obama twice.

FDR would not be able to win today.

His views on how the Indians were savages and that it was moral for us to expand and take them over was pretty bad. Saying that people should give up their culture to become part of the American culture is bad too.

FDR for all of his pros would not be a good pick today as people would fry him for those positions.

 

[realibrad]

You think the political dialog in the 2016 was just mean? We all witnessed human behavior never seen in a political campaign before.

BS. Maybe not in recent history, but US history for sure has had equally if not worse. People can be shit-bags when it comes to elections and politics.

 

[soundforbjt]

This will never resonate with conservatives, they don't like Reagan's actual son, they prefer his adopted son.