Seems like buy.com has it for $5 cheaper and also free shipping. (Offered on the Amazon page.)
when I looked, that shipping wasn't free so the cost was higher than $300. Can you link to that one? I'll add it to the OP. Thanks!
How does X-RAID compare with RAID5?
They are pretty much the same thing from a user standpoint. Each uses 1 extra disk to store rotating parity data which allows for 1 disk to fail without data loss. The big difference (in the NV+ anyway) is that the NV+ does not allow a RAID5 array to be expanded (OCE) but will allow an x-raid to be expanded. Some hardware RAID cards with a dedicated XOR processor will allow OCE and/or ORM, but that is not an option on the NV+. Personally, the OCE allowed is scary to me, because you need to swap out the disks 1 at a time for larger ones. Each swapout causes the array to be rebuilt, and during the rebuild, if a disk ails your data will be lost. Granted there is a very low possibility of this happening, but Murphy's law says the probability doesn't matter. If you don't have a backup, a 2nd disk will fail
.
The storage guys seem to say to avoid RAID5 due to the huge storages sizes now and the high chance of errors during rebuilds
What 'storage guys' are you referring to? Sounds like they don't know what they are talking about, or are paraphrasing their thoughts and that there is some confusion going on there. Or, just what 'high chance of failure' means. The reason there would be an error when rebuilding a RAID5 array (leading to data loss) is if a 2nd disk failed (or a sector failed, etc) and that would be catastrophic to data. The most harrowing time (when you don't have backups) is during a rebuild of any single redundancy array (raid 1, 2, 3 4 or 5) because a 2nd disk failure will lead to data loss. On bigger disks, the rebuild time is longer, so the window for complete data loss is larger. On a hardware raid controller, this window is (best case) roughly equivalent to the sequential read speed (or write, whichever is lower) divided by disk capacity of a single disk in the array (assuming 50 MB/sec a RAID5 array will take 40,000 seconds or about 11.1 hours.) The NV+ takes roughly 20 hours (I know from experience)
There are ways to mitigate this risk (besides backups, which are always required) by using different raid levels. For example, RAID6 is becoming the 'new' RAID5. RAID6 uses 2 different parity calculations, and stores both. This allows for 2 disks to fail without data loss. The trade-off is that you need another disk to make up for the data loss. the NV+ doesn't support RAID6 natively, but other products in the line do (They are the pro series from netgear that have 6 disks instead of 4, and cost about $1200 and are x86 based instead of SPARC). It should be technically feasible to write an add-in for the NV+ that will support RAID6 (since the minimum disks for RAID6 is 4, and the NV+ has 4) But RAID6 is usually for larger disk count arrays. Also, with a 4 disk count, RAID 10 will give the same amount of usable space, but me much faster in a software RAID environment with only slightly less fault tolerance. (RAID 10 can support 2 disk failures if they are the 'right' disks, but if the wrong 2 fail, you can still lose data)
RAID5 is going to be slightly faster than RAID6 for the same size disk array because there are 2 parity calculations for RAID6 while RAID5 only has 1.
RAID5 is way better than RAID0 from a safety standpoint, and gives more space than RAID1. Lets use a hypothetical situation (since I don't want to look up the actuals, but I will be pretty close. I will also simplify some of the math since we don't have to be perfect, just decently close.). The situation is that you have four 2 TB disks with a MTBF of 1M hours and a read/write speed of 50 MB/sec. (enterprise disks are usually 1.2M hours, and home user disks are usually around 800k hours, so 1M is a nice average, and allows for quicker math I can do in my head). Using those 4 disks, let's calculate some failure rates, data storage and speeds. We must also assume 'life of disks' to determine the possibility of data loss over the life of the array. Let's assume 3 years since that is most manufacturer's warranty period. Please also note that we are only calculating disk failures and not including things like hardware or software failure which can also destroy an array, even without a disk failure. For example, bad RAM can cause garbage to be written to an array. We will also only calculate this for 4 of the major RAID levels: 0, 5, 6, and 10.
RAID0 - Total space is the sum of the disk sizes (2TB*4 or 8 TB). Speed will also be the sum of the disks (50 MB/sec * 4 or 200 MB/sec). The possibility of data loss during any given hour will be the MTBF of the disks divided by 4 since in RAID0 if any disk fails all data is lost. 3 years works out to be 365 * 24 * 4 * 3 hours of disk up time, which is 105120 hours total. With a MTBF of 1M hours, you end up with the possibility of data loss during the life of the array of 1M/105120 or 10.5%. That's very high at 1 in 10.
RAID10 - Total space is the sum of the disk sizes divided by 2 (2TB*4/2 or 4 TB). Speed will be the speed of 2 disks (50 MB/sec * 2 or 100 MB/sec) Data will only be lost if the 'wrong' disk fails during a rebuild. That means we have to calculate the rebuild time (which we did above at 11 hours, but let's call it 10 for 'Evad is lazy' sake). So for 10 hours, there is a 1 in 1M chance per hour of a disk failure, and a further 50% probability the wrong disk fails. That works out to a 5 in 1M chance during the rebuild time. But you need to know how many times any disk will fail and cause a rebuild. That was calculated above at 10.5% over the life of 4 disks. So you end up with 10.5% chance of rebuild, and a 5 in 1M chance (0.0005%) of failure during that rebuild, or 0.105 * 0.000005 = 0.000000525 or 0.0000525%. Many orders of magnitude better better than RAID0. The trade off is that you lose 1/2 of the space.
RAID5 - Total space is the sum of the disk sizes - 1 for parity or 6 TB. Speed will be the speed of 3 disks (50 MB/sec * 3 or 150 MB/sec) Data will only be lost if a 2nd disk fails during the rebuild. That means we have to calculate the rebuild time. So for 10 hours, there is a 1 in 1M chance per hour of a disk failure. That works out to a 10 in 1M chance during the rebuild time. But you need to know how many times any disk will fail and cause a rebuild. That was calculated above at 10.5% over the life of 4 disks. So you end up with 10.5% chance of rebuild, and a 10 in 1M chance (0.001%) of failure during that rebuild, or 0.105 * 0.000010 = 0.00000105 or 0.000105%. Many orders of magnitude better better than RAID0 but worse than RAID10. The trade off is that you have 25% less space than RAID0 and 50% more space than RAID10.
RAID6 - Total space is the sum of the disk sizes - 2 for parity or 4 TB (Same as RAID10). Speed will be the speed of 2 disks (50 MB/sec * 2 or 100 MB/sec) Data will only be lost if a 3rd disk fails during the rebuild. That means we have to calculate the rebuild time, which is harder to do than RAId5. So for 10 hours, there is a 1 in 1M chance per hour of a single disk failure, but 2 more need to fail to lose data. That works out to 1/1M * 1/1M during the rebuild time (0.000001 * 0.000001 = 0.000000000001) But you need to know how many times any disk will fail and cause a rebuild. That was calculated above at 10.5% over the life of 4 disks. So you end up with 10.5% chance of rebuild, and a 0.0000000001% chance of another 2 disks failing during that rebuild, or 0.105 * 0.000000000001 = 0.0000000000000105 or 0.00000000000105%. Many orders of magnitude better better than RAID0, RAID10 and RAID5. The trade off is that you spend 2 disks to store parity information, so you have 50% of the actual space usable. RAID6 is also not supported on all devices.
In terms of space, here is a summary:
RAID0 - 8 TB
RAID5 - 6 TB
RAID6 - 4 TB
RAID10 - 4 TB
In terms of probability of failure over the life of the array (3 years):
RAID0 - 10.5%
RAID5 - 0.000105%
RAID10 - 0.0000525%
RAID6 - 0.00000000000105%
In terms of speed:
RAID0 - 200 MB/Sec
RAID5 - 150 MB/sec
RAID10 - 100MB/sec
RAID6 - 100MB/sec
In terms of dollars per usable TB (assume $100 per 2 TB hard drive)
RAID0 - 8 TB / $400 = $50 per TB
RAID5 - 6 TB / $400 = $67 per TB ($17 more than RAID0 to drop the rate from 10.5% to 0.000105%)
RAID6 - 4 TB / $400 = $100 per TB ($33 more than RAID5 to drop the rate from 0.000105% to 0.00000000000105%)
RAID10 - 4 TB / $400= $100 per TB (usually only chosen if small random writes are an issue such as a database or controller doesn't support RAID6, and RAID5 is too high risk.)
Very long story short is that there are trade offs with each RAID level. You need to chose the one that is right for you based on your specific needs, budget and risk tolerance. For the majority of home users who use a NAS, RAID5 provides a good balance of fault tolerances and space per dollar spent in a 4 disk NAS. If we were to redo this with 6 or more bays, then RAID6 becomes a more attractive choice because the probability of a disk failure is higher the more disks exist in the array, and the cost starts approaching RAID5 levels. For example the cost per TB between a 20 disk RAID5 and RAID6 array using 2 TB disks is $52.6 vs $55.5.
There are way more things to consider in different environments such as stripe size (which can waste space and affect speed) load on the array (high disk count parity arrays are bad for random writes because of the write-hole, such as databases while for media streaming parity arrays are fine) options on the controller (such as OCE or ORM and having a dedicated XOR processor). We also can't forget the fabled 'sympathy failure' of disks which may or may not increase the odds of concurrent disk failures if you 'believe' in them. The write-hole in RAID5 can also be solved by using something like RAID-Z.
Clifs:
RAID5 is fine for home users and way better than a bunch of single disks.
Facebook
Twitter