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Case SLK3000B $44.00 2buystore
PSU Seasonic S12 430 $99.00 New Egg
Motherboard LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D $139.00 Monarch
Processor AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache, Socket 939 64-bit Processor - Retail $156.00 Monarch
CPU cooler Thermalright Heatsink for P4 & K8 CPUs, Heatsink Only, Model "XP-90" -RETAIL $43.00 New Egg
CPU fan 1 Nexus 92mm Real Silent Case Fan $14.95 Silicon Aco
CPU fan 2 Nexus 120 mm Real Silent Case Fan $17.95 Silicon Aco
RAM G.skill Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2), F1-3200PHU2-1GBZX -Retail $99.00 New Egg
Video Card MSI ATI Radeon X800 XL, PCI-Express,"RX800XL-VT2D256E" -RETAIL $341.00 New Egg
Hard Drive SAMSUNG 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model SP1614C, OEM Drive Only $99.00 New Egg
Hard Drive SAMSUNG 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model SP1614C, OEM Drive Only $99.00 New Egg
Optical Drive LG Electronics DVD+/-RW 16X Multiformat Drive, Model GSA-4163BI - Retail $68.00 New Egg
Floppy Drive Samsung Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model SFD321B/LBL1, OEM $17.00 New Egg
Keyboard Kensington 64365 SlimType Keyboard USB 104 keys -RETAIL $29.99 New Egg
LCD Dell 1905FP $314.00 Dell

here are links to components in order:
http://www.2buystore.com/shopdisplaydetail.asp?id=F27838&Ref=GRABBER
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-151-023&depa=0
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...oduct_Code=110224&Category_Code=AMD939
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...roduct_Code=120427&Category_Code=AMD64
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductde...s+Heatsinks+Case+&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r
http://www.siliconacoustics.com/nexus-92mm-real-silent-case-fan-df1209sl-3.html
http://www.siliconacoustics.com/nexus-120mm-real-silent-case-fan.html
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-012&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-156&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-152-015&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-152-015&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-136-047&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=21-103-203&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=23-155-003&depa=1

So far i've only ordered the fans and the monitor. All comments appreciated.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Okay so far. Why would you like 2 HDDs instead of 1 bigger one that saves you a bit money?
If you are running RAID0 I wouldn't recommend it. RAID 0 is good if you use it for the OS drive while data is stored separately on a non-RAID setup. I hate to admit that RAID 0 dobles the danger of lossing data. And you have 2x160GB which means 320GB of data is potentially in danger.
 
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piotrgurin

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hmmm.... so what would you recommend if i wanted to use the samsung drives. the biggest they come in is 160GB.
 
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MobiusPizza

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hmm I am sure Segate and Western digital are no way inferior if not better than Samsung.
May I hear the reason you would like to stick to Samsung?

Or simply you could just buy 1 drive first then upgrade when necessary; by the time when harddisks are even cheaper and at higher capacities
 
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The rest of your syste looks fine.
get the xp90 off svc. I think its like 30 bucks there right now.
 
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MobiusPizza

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The Segate drive on that review was an older generation. The new generation is the Bracular 7200.8 instead 7200.7
I really don't know how the Samsung performs against the new drives. It never get reviewed in the large review sites.
I personally haven't used Segate before. People here seems to be segate fans. I've been using western digital HDDs; it had been quite performance leader in past HDD reviews I've seen.

Also the Samsung drive is using a platter density of 80GB/inch
Undoubtbly this setup would have lower transfer rate than the newer Segate and Maxtor drives which use 100GB platter density

According this this review
http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200410/20041016SP1614C_1.html
It's a great performer but nothing spectacular.

Ever since my HDD went malfunctioned I now trasure data realibility quite a lot. Since Segate has 5 year warranty on its drives I would think it's a good bet.

If you really plan to do a RAID 0 setup, I'd recommand the Western Digital RAID-Edition HDD
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=87&Language=en

It's specially designed for RAID setup with a higher MTBF. You don't want to have it failed losing your data.
But still my personal experience tell me that RAID 0 is good; but when it fails you are like fell off from a cliff.

 
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Originally posted by: mindwreck
The rest of your syste looks fine.
get the xp90 off svc. I think its like 30 bucks there right now.
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Wow, sweet price. Shipping is 7 bucks though. 8(
Since i'm buying alot of items from NewEgg do you think I should just wait and order everything together (will it be cheaper shipping?), or just go ahead and order from SVC?
SVC: 30 + 7
New EGG: 43 + 6
 
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AnnihilatorX,
I read another review comparing the 7200.7 to the 7200.8 and it said the performance was similar(better in some areas, less in others) and that the 7200.8 was a touch louder than the older drive.
I'm definatly into peformance but not at the cost of silence. Sam drives come with 3 year warranty, should be enough lol.
If I really want to go with Samsung, what kinda of a setup would you recommend if I wanted to go with some sort of RAID 0? P.S. I also have a 180gig Seagate external drive.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Anyway MTBF stands for mean time between failures.
If the figure Western Digital quoted is correct...
At 1 000 000 hours
It comes out to be 1 000 000 /24 /365.25 = 114 years of continuous use without failing.
*if* its claim is correct, and you handle the drives with care.
May be it would be fine. Well I'd search for user feedbacks first.
 
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piotrgurin

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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Anyway MTBF stands for mean time between failures.
If the figure Western Digital quoted is correct...
At 1 000 000 hours
It comes out to be 1 000 000 /24 /365.25 = 114 years of continuous use without failing.
*if* its claim is correct, and you handle the drives with care.
May be it would be fine. Well I'd search for user feedbacks first.
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Heheheh, what does this have to do with anything? I wouldn't plan to use a hard drive for more than 2-3 years.
 
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MobiusPizza

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You can't really have an alternate setup if you determined to use Samsung drives.

If you really want a RAID 0 system, I do advice you to take a look at the WD 2500SD I gave above. Long MTBF is important for RAID setup. Also the Time-limited error recovery (TLER) ? "improves compatibility with RAID adapters; prevents drive fallout caused by the extended hard drive error-recovery processes common to desktop hard drives." is quite a good feature. I've had my RAID corrupted persumbly because of this issue.

Again if you determined to use Samsung then I can't really force you. There's no other "arrangement" I can suggest apart from sticking two of them together as your original plan. Do backup your data after a while of using the system. Or else if you can afford a RAID 0+1 system...

Just a note is that RAID 0 is not really necessary for desktop usage. It does a little to increase usuability. Unless you do extensive audio/video editing it's unlikely you benefits from RAID 0 setup. People here knows very well about this and would agree with me.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: piotrgurin
Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
Anyway MTBF stands for mean time between failures.
If the figure Western Digital quoted is correct...
At 1 000 000 hours
It comes out to be 1 000 000 /24 /365.25 = 114 years of continuous use without failing.
*if* its claim is correct, and you handle the drives with care.
May be it would be fine. Well I'd search for user feedbacks first.
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Heheheh, what does this have to do with anything? I wouldn't plan to use a hard drive for more than 2-3 years.
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yeah I know. But my RAID system with normal desktop harddisks failed in 2 years
 
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piotrgurin

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hehehe, okay okay. i'll just buy one of the samsungs. 8)

everything else look good?

actually....
would it make sense to buy the 160gig and a 80gig drive and use the 80 only for windows?
 
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MobiusPizza

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lol I was about to bring out another serious disadvantage of RAID 0 but now it seems it's fine.

Your components are well chosen
anyway
LCD Dell 1905FP $314.00 Dell <-
Are you playing games a lot?
This monitor has a 20ms response time. I doubt it can handle fast games.

L90D+ seems a better bet
Need some LCD experts here.
 
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piotrgurin

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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
lol I was about to bring out another serious disadvantage of RAID 0 but now it seems it's fine.

Your components are well chosen
anyway
LCD Dell 1905FP $314.00 Dell <-
Are you playing games a lot?
This monitor has a 20ms response time. I doubt it can handle fast games.

L90D+ seems a better bet
Need some LCD experts here.
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Yea i just bought the dell b/c it was so cheap and i guess its good for everything but games.
the MSI x800xl card i wana get has dual dvi so i figure in the future i'll buy the dell 2001fp or something and use that screen for gaming and the other screen for whatever.
What do you think?

Also what do you think about the 2 drive idea, windows on the smaller one and everything else on the larger.
Does that help at all? P.S. i use photoshop alot.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: piotrgurin

Yea i just bought the dell b/c it was so cheap and i guess its good for everything but games.
the MSI x800xl card i wana get has dual dvi so i figure in the future i'll buy the dell 2001fp or something and use that screen for gaming and the other screen for whatever.
What do you think?

Also what do you think about the 2 drive idea, windows on the smaller one and everything else on the larger.
Does that help at all? P.S. i use photoshop alot.
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If you really find a lot of ghosting that you can't tolerate you'd better off buying a secondary monitor.

Are you using 2 drives? I thought you getting 1 only.
Seperating OS and data is usally a good idea for performance.
Since I don't know your budget...
Getting a WD Raptor 74GB 10000 rpm if you can afford it would make your Windows and photoshop loads a bit quicker; given that you install the programs on the same drive. The larger HDD can be used as large data storage.

If you handle large files with photoshop, applying filters/post processing frequently; Getting 2 gigs of ram doesn't hurt. Given the ram are so cheap now. I heard photoshop is a ram lover. Though sticking in 4 slots of ram is not as good as if you waited for the upcoming Venice core Athlon64 CPU which fixes the fact 1T timing cannot be used

But generally your current system should do fine
 
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AnnihilatorX,
Thank you, you've been a great help.
I guess i'll just go with the (1) 160gig samsung for now for everything, and mabye figure out something else in the future.

I suppose now the qustion is; when is the Venice core going to be available.
Anyone have any guesses?
 
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I have the N and it has a Nidec motor. Great drive.

I don't know about the C though... I'll look into it.

HTH!
 
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Yep! Though that board also has SATA interfaces... Maybe you want to consider going with a SATA drive and save the PATA interfaces for the optical drives though?
 
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