Reading a sentence at a time without sub-vocalizing

[Nocturnal]

Ok I know I've posted a few threads on speed reading but I'm very interested in figuring out how to do this. A lot of people that can speed read say they can read blocks of text at one time.

Does this mean that they see one block of text like "My name is Nocturnal, I went to school today and completed my homework." and it just clicks in their head and if I asked them what was the person's name and what did he or she do today they'd be able to answer me?

I just cannot even fathom how to begin learning how to read more than one word at a time. I read like this:

Sentence: My name is Nocturnal, I enjoy computers.

How I read: My, name, is, Nocturnal, I, enjoy, computers.

So I basically sub-vocalize which is a no-no with speed readers.

How do I overcome this and just be able to read one entire sentence/line at one time without even thinking the word in my head?

Also everything I find via Google is someone trying to sell their software or promote their website which doesn't even have content regarding speed reading.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'd rather read at a decent rate with very good comprehension than at a high rate with only a fair understanding of the material.

I don't speed-read, but I also don't subvocalize unless I'm trying to recall something like a phone number until I can grab a pen.

I suppose you could (being half serious here) try grabbing your tongue while you read to cure yourself of the habit.

 

[yllus]

A lot of speedreading has to do with context. You look over a paragraph and sort of 'assume' what it's going to say as your eyes travel across, and at that point you're just verifying what your mind has already figured out.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I'd rather read at a decent rate with very good comprehension than at a high rate with only a fair understanding of the material.

I don't speed-read, but I also don't subvocalize unless I'm trying to recall something like a phone number until I can grab a pen.

I suppose you could (being half serious here) try grabbing your tongue while you read to cure yourself of the habit.

Sub-vocalizing is saying the words in your head, not with your mouth. I actually say it in my mind. Unless I am wrong as to what sub-vocalization is. I believe it is what I suspect it to be, sub-consciencely vocalizing the words in my head.

 

[xSauronx]

you can only sub-vocalize so fast

speed reading without it can take you much faster, its not that its a no no, its thats its a requirement to get past a certain speed.

essentially all you do is move your eyes over text faster than you can sub vocalize.

youve started a couple of threads on this, why havent you gotten a book yet? should be able to get one on speed reading for a few bucks.

start leading your eyes with your index finger. just lead it over text faster than you can sub-vocalize, do this over and over and over through a few pages and youll start to pick up comprehending words by groups instead of single words, as you keep practicing this you can use a few fingers, to go from reading a word faster than you can sub it, to reading 3 or 4 words faster than you can sub it, and eventually build up to reading a half a line, or whole line or more.

it takes some constant practice, at least in my experience, to keep up the skill of reading groups of words at a time, even once you get used to it.

its also like reading a word as one word, as opposed to one syllable at a time (IE dictionary instead of dic-tio-ar-y, get it?)

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I'd rather read at a decent rate with very good comprehension than at a high rate with only a fair understanding of the material.

I don't speed-read, but I also don't subvocalize unless I'm trying to recall something like a phone number until I can grab a pen.

I suppose you could (being half serious here) try grabbing your tongue while you read to cure yourself of the habit.

Sub-vocalizing is saying the words in your head, not with your mouth. I actually say it in my mind. Unless I am wrong as to what sub-vocalization is. I believe it is what I suspect it to be, sub-consciencely vocalizing the words in my head.

Eh, the dictionary definition is articulation (movement) of the lips/tongue without making sound.

 

[DaveSimmons]

> Sub-vocalizing is saying the words in your head, not with your mouth.

Nope, it's making the mouth parts move as if speaking, but inaudibly.

define: subvocalize
articulate without making audible sounds; "she was reading to herself and merely subvocalized"

SF authors have speculated on how someone with enhanced hearing could use the fact that some people subvocalize their thoughts to achieve a pseudo-telepathy.

 

[hjo3]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Nope, it's making the mouth parts move as if speaking, but inaudibly.

define: subvocalize
articulate without making audible sounds; "she was reading to herself and merely subvocalized"

SF authors have speculated on how someone with enhanced hearing could use the fact that some people subvocalize their thoughts to achieve a pseudo-telepathy.

Huh? That's what I said.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: hjo3

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
I'd rather read at a decent rate with very good comprehension than at a high rate with only a fair understanding of the material.

I don't speed-read, but I also don't subvocalize unless I'm trying to recall something like a phone number until I can grab a pen.

I suppose you could (being half serious here) try grabbing your tongue while you read to cure yourself of the habit.

Sub-vocalizing is saying the words in your head, not with your mouth. I actually say it in my mind. Unless I am wrong as to what sub-vocalization is. I believe it is what I suspect it to be, sub-consciencely vocalizing the words in my head.

Eh, the dictionary definition is articulation (movement) of the lips/tongue without making sound.

Ok, if this is the case then it makes total sense however I'm still a little skeptical and think it means not even saying the word in your head. Here is an example I fell across on Google Groups. When you see a stop sign, you stop, you don't read it and say it in your head, you just know it means stop.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: hjo3
Huh? That's what I said.

Yes you did, I was answering Nocturnal's post not yours. I've edited in a quote for clarity.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
> Sub-vocalizing is saying the words in your head, not with your mouth.

Nope, it's making the mouth parts move as if speaking, but inaudibly.

define: subvocalize
articulate without making audible sounds; "she was reading to herself and merely subvocalized"

SF authors have speculated on how someone with enhanced hearing could use the fact that some people subvocalize their thoughts to achieve a pseudo-telepathy.

I want to believe this but I am almost certain that it isn't the case.

 

[kranky]

To read faster, you have to push yourself. Your brain can process information faster than you can say the words, so as long as you keep saying each word in your head you'll hold yourself back. Try the suggestion of guiding with your index finger to force your eyes to go faster.

At first your comprehension will be poor but keep going. It's something you'll acquire.

 

[gamepad]

is it a bad habit to move ur tongue while reading?
no matter how fast i read --even if it's faster than i can vocalize-- i move my tongue in rhythm to what i'm reading.

 

[msparish]

In the case of speed reading, it is not saying the word in your head. Can I do it? No, but I've never tried to train myself. I've heard it explained as follows: when you walk into a room for the first time and look at it, you aren't thinking to yourself, "The couch is in the corner, the walls are white, the carpet is tan, etc." The internalization of the information skips vocalization. Supposedly, you can train yourself to read like that.