Read this thread then tell me you support GWB

[JacobJ]

[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

 

[mOeeOm]

Omg links?

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

I didn't vote for Bush in either election.........................


1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.

2. Yeah he isn't a fiscal conservative and that bothers me.

3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

8. Not even worth talking about.

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

10. Educated has been screwed up and I see no end in sight.

last two, whatever.

 

[Strk]

Is this the end in sight? Until we can go a week without something like this, I don't see how you can say there is an end in sight.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

And it turns out, the information was bad. Additionally, the part we didn't expect to find was that all of the information was wrong; he had nothing; that is what we found.


7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

Yeah, except diesels aren't available in all states.

 

[Warthog912]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JacobJ
[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

I didn't vote for Bush in either election.........................


1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.

2. Yeah he isn't a fiscal conservative and that bothers me.

3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

8. Not even worth talking about.

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

10. Educated has been screwed up and I see no end in sight.

last two, whatever.

wow, a nice post indeed

 

[marvdmartian]

Does it help any the the "Big 3" auto makers are pretty much clueless? Here we are, gas prices rising to over $3 a gallon in many areas of the country, and all I hear coming out of Detroit is announcements about their new suv lines, their new truck lines, blah blah blah, gas guzzling supreme! Not one word about better gas mileage. :frown:

Of course, we have to remember a couple things:

1. You don't come out with a new car, or even a new design for an existing car, in a year's time. If memory serves, you're usually looking at 3 years for new designs to go from concept to manufacture. However, since gasoline was hovering at just under $2 a gallon even a year ago, the Big 3 still should have been looking hard at designing cars that got 30+ mpg, imho.

2. The reality......whichever way you want to look at it......either Detroit is giving the American consumer something that they want (look at how many people have purchased big SUV's in the past few years, even without huge incentives like we've seen lately), or they're shoving it down the throat of the consumer. I really don't see the latter, as we Americans pretty much buy what we want to buy, and if no one wanted the big gas guzzlers, they wouldn't sell. Unfortunately, when gasoline suddenly skyrocketed to $3 a gallon, there were a LOT of people out there driving these behemoths, and wondering how they were going to afford to drive them. All I can say is "sucks to be you!!".

The funny thing, on one last note, that I've seen around here in the past month? People parking their new SUV's and pickup trucks that they bought in the past couple years, and pulling out and driving their old beater riceburners that they didn't trade in when they got the new vehicle, just because it still gets twice the gas mileage of the monstrosity they bought. Don't know about anyone else, but I find it humorous that people that were enamored with these humungous vehicles, and bought one (even tho, in most instances, their old cars would transport their families just as well), end up driving the little car again when they realize just how expensive that beast is to fill up with gasoline!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Does it help any the the "Big 3" auto makers are pretty much clueless? Here we are, gas prices rising to over $3 a gallon in many areas of the country, and all I hear coming out of Detroit is announcements about their new suv lines, their new truck lines, blah blah blah, gas guzzling supreme! Not one word about better gas mileage. :frown:

And to top it off the EPA hasn't changed their testing procedures in over 20 years making the MPG claims on window stickers inaccurate at best.

But why should Detroit care? They're in big financial trouble. The foreign auto makers are taking more and more of the market and their profits are dwindling. They've got to get those big gas-guzzling vehicles moving because they cost more -- a lot more -- and gas mileage is hardly a concern for someone willing to plop down $30K plus anyway.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Strk
Is this the end in sight? Until we can go a week without something like this, I don't see how you can say there is an end in sight.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

And it turns out, the information was bad. Additionally, the part we didn't expect to find was that all of the information was wrong; he had nothing; that is what we found.


7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

Yeah, except diesels aren't available in all states.

Yeah, sh*t happens in Iraq. However when was the last time you read a story that portrayed anything positive in Iraq. Do you think everything happening in Iraq is bad? Well then you are pretty blinded by your hatred.

News gets ratings by carrying information that will shock and surprise people. Providing new stories about the good things happening in Iraq doesn't get ratings.

Yeah some bad things happened. However progress is being made.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Yeah, sh*t happens in Iraq. However when was the last time you read a story that portrayed anything positive in Iraq. Do you think everything happening in Iraq is bad? Well then you are pretty blinded by your hatred.

News gets ratings by carrying information that will shock and surprise people. Providing new stories about the good things happening in Iraq doesn't get ratings.

Yeah some bad things happened. However progress is being made.

Did I say nothing good is happening? No, but way to assume that one.

And I'm sorry I don't want to ignore the bad things, but personally, I believe you need Iraqis alive to enjoy what we've been doing - as well as a fairly stable country so we can leave and not see the country erupt into a civil war.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Does it help any the the "Big 3" auto makers are pretty much clueless? Here we are, gas prices rising to over $3 a gallon in many areas of the country, and all I hear coming out of Detroit is announcements about their new suv lines, their new truck lines, blah blah blah, gas guzzling supreme! Not one word about better gas mileage. :frown:

And to top it off the EPA hasn't changed their testing procedures in over 20 years making the MPG claims on window stickers inaccurate at best.

But why should Detroit care? They're in big financial trouble. The foreign auto makers are taking more and more of the market and their profits are dwindling. They've got to get those big gas-guzzling vehicles moving because they cost more -- a lot more -- and gas mileage is hardly a concern for someone willing to plop down $30K plus anyway.

Links? My car gets exactly what was advertized, so does my wife's and any other car I've owned. Are you talking about hybrid testing? I know their mpg ratings aren't as suggestive as they should be.



Anyway.. I'd actually like to know some big things Bush has actually done right. Excuses are freely given to cover his failures (war, terrorism , Clinton's economy, he had no control over Tenet/Brown/Iraq planning etc etc etc.)
What will his legacy be? Who is going to look back on this pres and get remanicent, and if so for what? Falling wages, increased poverty, high debt, weak economy, war, 2 worst disasters in US history, loss of healthcare... it's a tough list. Not exactly a Golden Age.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JacobJ
[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

I didn't vote for Bush in either election.........................


1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.

2. Yeah he isn't a fiscal conservative and that bothers me.

3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

8. Not even worth talking about.

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

10. Educated has been screwed up and I see no end in sight.

last two, whatever.

1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.


What do you consider a nose dive? Unemployment was still at 4%. The Dow was still well over 10,000. All of the talk of recession was just that...talk. Recession, by definition, is only two consecutive quarters of stagnant growth. A recession is a term used by the pols to scare the populus into voting against the incumbent. It worked for Clinton in 92 and it worked for Bush in 2000.

A president's policies have a glaring affect on the economy. Do you think that tax breaks have no affect? Do you think going to war and spending over $200 Billion has no affect? Do you think continuing to fill up the reserves instead of releasing some into the marketplace has no affect?


3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

I have this vague recollection of reading about ?Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, &c., provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States?. I wish I could remember what document that I saw that in.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

This is complete and utter BS. Most expected to find something even if it were only programs themselves, I will agree. But to try to argue that he had no control over the evidence......that is insane! Why then, did we not hear about the doubts and reservations that a fair amount in the intelligence community had expressed about WMD? I guess ignoring something really doesn't give you control over it.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

So, the parts that the local/state governments played in a natural disaster exposing the complete incompetence of FEMA director that Bush personally hired makes it their fault he was in that position and not GW's fault?

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

You mean policies like a right to privacy and the right to not be exposed to illegal searches? Oh right.....they took care of those policies with the "Patriot" Act.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

The need is here now. What isn't here is the ability of those corporations that are making billions off of oil to make the same profit off of hydrogen or other sources. Until then, it is a concept only.

8. Not even worth talking about.

Why? Who plans for a war without planning for as many "worst case" scenarios as possible and ways to get out of them?

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

I agree that news is sensationalizing the bad. But denying that there is bad is just as sad as codemning the news for denying the good.

last two, whatever.

The last two show that this administration had no plan to, in the words of GW, "do everything in my power" to protect the American people. The first shows that they thought that the status quo was good and probably a little overfunded. The second shows that after the "reason", OBL, was not of any real use anymore, that this president didn't even blink to shift his focus to his real goal.....getting into Iraq.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Hafen
Links? My car gets exactly what was advertized, so does my wife's and any other car I've owned. Are you talking about hybrid testing? I know their mpg ratings aren't as suggestive as they should be.



Anyway.. I'd actually like to know some big things Bush has actually done right. Excuses are freely given to cover his failures (war, terrorism , Clinton's economy, he had no control over Tenet/Brown/Iraq planning etc etc etc.)
What will his legacy be? Who is going to look back on this pres and get remanicent, and if so for what? Falling wages, increased poverty, high debt, weak economy, war, 2 worst disasters in US history, loss of healthcare... it's a tough list. Not exactly a Golden Age.

I don't have any links off-hand, but it's pretty much proven that there are several instances where their current methods don't accurately measure actual mpg usage. The most obvious example would be hybrids using the current tests.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Strk
Is this the end in sight? Until we can go a week without something like this, I don't see how you can say there is an end in sight.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

And it turns out, the information was bad. Additionally, the part we didn't expect to find was that all of the information was wrong; he had nothing; that is what we found.


7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

Yeah, except diesels aren't available in all states.

Yeah, sh*t happens in Iraq. However when was the last time you read a story that portrayed anything positive in Iraq. Do you think everything happening in Iraq is bad? Well then you are pretty blinded by your hatred.

News gets ratings by carrying information that will shock and surprise people. Providing new stories about the good things happening in Iraq doesn't get ratings.

Yeah some bad things happened. However progress is being made.

Progress is being made? What progress?! The insurgency in Iraq is being fought piecemeal because there are not enough troops to do it correctly. Unless and until there is no insurgency there will be no progress.

A civil war is being fomented by Sunnis and Shia. Syria and Iran both want the war to begin in earnest. I don't know how much longer the militias like the Sadr Brigades are going to sit idle. I am sure they have been stocking up on ammunition and training their recruits.

Money is vanishing faster in Iraq than matter into black hole. That's progress. Security costs are robbing the budgets for public works projects at a horrendous rate. By the end of this year, Iraq will have broken the US Army's stockpiles of equipment and personnel. That's more progress.

Pre Iraq invasion there were three major sectors if the Iraq economy, oil, military and public works. That hasn't changed except that people lining up for the jobs are murdered at a rapid rate. Progress!

Iraq has a new oil minister, a convicted bank felon, Ahmed Chalabi. Ever hear of him? The convicted bank felon was quite the man about Washington DC and especially the Pentagon. Now, he has a most interesting job overseeing Iraq's only natural resource. Superior progress.

I think we are killing Iraq with US style progress.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

I have this vague recollection of reading about ?Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, &c., provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States?. I wish I could remember what document that I saw that in.

I take it you never read much beyond an 8th grade textbook on American History.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am a self congratulatory boob and flatter myself on my capacity to find the good in everything. The more people attack Bush the bigger my ego gets as I defend him. I am a defender and everything I defend is good. That is why I am good. See Mommy, how I protect you.

 

[imported_Dimicron]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I am a self congratulatory boob and flatter myself on my capacity to find the good in everything. The more people attack Bush the bigger my ego gets as I defend him. I am a defender and everything I defend is good. That is why I am good. See Mommy, how I protect you.

It's... my... prrrrescious...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Omg links?

You need LINKS???

Why don't you just open a newspaper?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JacobJ
[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

I didn't vote for Bush in either election.........................


1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.

2. Yeah he isn't a fiscal conservative and that bothers me.

3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

8. Not even worth talking about.

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

10. Educated has been screwed up and I see no end in sight.

last two, whatever.

Yup...
And just to drive home the point on the poverty issue...

Link

The aftermath of Katrina has produced a debate over poor Americans. The issue is described this way by Newsweek reporter Evan Thomas: 'Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate.' Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that overstatement. In 1996 the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record-shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements.

On his TV show last night, Bill also made the point that the percentage of people living under the poverty line has fallen from 13.7% under Clinton to 12.7% today.

 

[Genx87]

Democratic talking point writers are in overdrive.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Democratic talking point writers are in overdrive.

Do you have anything substantive to say?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: Genx87
Democratic talking point writers are in overdrive.

Do you have anything substantive to say?

Didnt you ask that yesterday about the "Famouse last words" thread?
File this thread under the same level of quality and you will understand the level of substance you recieved.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JacobJ
[*]1 million new people under the poverty line last year...despite his so called 'economic recovery'
[*]massive increases in the national debt under his watch...china is buying us out. GWB is anything but a fiscal conservative.
[*]the number of people without health insurance has increased by millions under his watch
[*]no weapons of mass destruction, no meaningful connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda -- nearly all of his original justifications for war were wrong
[*]the FEMA director he hired was fired from a previous job because he literally RUINED the organization...
[*]he created the gargantuanly inefficient department of homeland security -- a departmnent so obsessed with terrorism it cut aside many important tasks for keeping our country safe, including protecting our agriculture and emergergency management
[*]he's cut funding for alternative energy research despite skyrocketing gas prices
[*]the taliban still exists in Afghanistan in large numbers
[*]portions of Iraq are still occupied by terrorists and insurgents with no end in sight and no exit strategy, despite him saying before he was elected that waging war requires an exit strategy
[*]he campaigned on 'No Child Left Behind' then severely underfunded it
[*]on september 10, 2001 bush's newly appointed attorney general cut the FBI?s request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent
[*]on september 13, 2001 he said "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Just Six month later he said: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

I didn't vote for Bush in either election.........................


1. The president does not control the economy. it was taking a noise dive when he took office. Bush has done nothing to hurt the economy.

2. Yeah he isn't a fiscal conservative and that bothers me.

3. How is health insurance the government's job? Last time I checked my job provided that or I paid for it myself.

4. Bush had no control over the evidence he was presented. Stating there were no WMDs is stupid. We just didn't find what we expected to find. You need to look at at news reports before we went in. Every country in the UN knew he had them.

5. Don't know anything about that to comment. But the State is to blame for most of the problems. The mayor and government did nothing to prepare or prevent what happened.

6. Total crap. Wanna know why Homeland Security is inefficient? Because they are getting held back having to follow so many government policies. Policy is killing us there.

7. Alternate fuelings will never become mainstream until there is a need for them(looks like that could be approaching but I doubt it). Hybrid car? My wife's car gets better miles/gallon. I love diesel.

8. Not even worth talking about.

9. Since I just left Iraq, your information is garbage IMO. I see the end in sight. It will take some years but we are making progress everyday.

10. Educated has been screwed up and I see no end in sight.

last two, whatever.

wow, a nice post indeed

Not only a nice post but he didnt just copy and paste from an email like the OP.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Didnt you ask that yesterday about the "Famouse last words" thread?
File this thread under the same level of quality and you will understand the level of substance you recieved.

:thumbsup:

Of course that isn't covered in the daily Democratic Talking Points.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: nutxo
Not only a nice post but he didnt just copy and paste from an email like the OP.

All of the points made where ones I independently researched and wrote. I did not copy an email. The OP is my original work based on a few notes I've gathered over the past week.

 

[JacobJ]

Things to keep in mind about President Bush and the economy:

[*]He continually claims his tax cuts have a positive effect on the economy
[*]his tax cuts have undeniably affected the economy

Codewiz, how can you say the president has no effect on the economy when it is clear his policies directly affect it! The president himself claims he has power over the economy. I am not saying he has absolute power over it, in fact I believe the economy is controlled largely by demographic trends in population.

There is no doubt the president does influence the economy, however that was not my original point. A lot of people are straggling very far behind during our current economic recovery of the past few years. The unequal distribution of the positive effects of the recovery are partially due to the president's 'trickle down' economic policies.

By removing tax burdens on investments and by removing taxes for wealthy americans he has opened the door to subsequent investments that inded have improved the economy. However I believe a more effective and equitable means of improving the economy would be seen by directly affecting the pocketbooks of the large base of poor and middleclass american consumers who drive our economy. The idea that investments by the rich help the poor simply isn't a practical method of promoting equal oppurtunity for wealth in this country. Rich people are good at staying rich...poor people may be good at getting rich, but investments by the rich do not make the poor significantly better off.

So, in conclusion -- the president has an effect on the economy, but I believe his economic policies favor economic expansion that leaves out the poor people of this country.