Braznor
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I wasn't aware the german jews went about oppressing german women, making their men grow beards, whip them and flog them for mixing opposite sexes, oppress minorities?
Quit using a flawed analogy. Comparing Taliban to oppressed Jews is an insult to those
Yes a Nazi could have claimed that.
Proof!
I sincerely pray that all those that wish genocide never get their wish.
Bet! Airstrikes will only give birth to more anti-American militias which might this time be supported by the state.
palehorse
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I have never met a "peaceful" rapist or murderer.
In the case of the Taliban, 9/11, and the subsequent refusal by the the Taliban to hand over AQ, changed that.
We're not there to force our own ideology on anyone -- we are there to destroy everyone who supports the Taliban and AQ. Period.
So now you are claiming all Taliban are rapists and murderers. They probably brainwash you to make you believe that at your military academies.
I've had enough replying to your insane nonsense posts. Your supremacist fascist ideas will fail sooner or later and I just hope for their sake that the saner Americans realize it before fascists like you hold anything important for them. Now get the f*** out of my thread.
palehorse
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Do you honestly need more proof that the Taliban commits atrocities and violently opporesses the areas they control? for real!?
you're in serious denial son.
It's not "genocide" to destroy a violent cult.
We'll chase them out of NW Pakistan the same way we forced them to retreat there in the first place. Clearing the Taliban and AQ out of the entire country of Afghanistan took less six months.
That's why I said you better get the Pakistani military ready to sweep up any cockroaches who get away.
We can even give your weak-ass military all the credit!! i couldn't care less.. as long as we put a stop to the Taliban's cross-border attacks into Afghanistan, the rest is all gravy...
palehorse
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Yes -- every single one of them that I have ever met (100+), leaders and members alike, were murderers and rapists.
Thanks for keeping up.
I've seen their handiwork first-hand; and I've never attended a "military academy." I have more than likely killed a few Taliban myself, and I will do so again if/when I am given the opportunity.
no.
We'll see you soon.
Braznor
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You are making a grave mistake here. The Pakistani military will simply wink and let these elements melt away into their countryside. Look at the instance of their forces arranging fake surrenders to the Taliban and their allies. It will be a simple case of a strategic retreat for them, one they already succeeded in doing once.
Remember you will be there today, gone tomorrow. But they have to live with these vermin forever.
palehorse
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Well, that will be there own problem to solve. Like I said, all I care about is stopping the Taliban influence and attacks on Afghan and NATO forces in Afghanistan.
If they retreat to the streets of Islamabad, and stay there, then I couldnt care less.
I foresee the creation of a DMZ between the two countries, one in which we'll kill anything that moves.
If it comes down to that, then so be it.
de·moc·ra·cy /d?'m?kr?si/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-mok-ruh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -cies. 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
does the word Democracy have an equivilant word in your language?
Is Democracy supported in Islam teaching? If so please quote the verses.
thanks
green bean, palehorse isnt much more than a propagandist. just ask him about this. the link between gen mahmud ahmad and the terrorist mastermind mohamed atta. so where is the taliban is this connection?? the taliban offered bin laden to the u.s. is they had evidence. if AQ's headman is OBL and he is a billionaire, then why would the leader of the isi send Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (mi6) to wire atta 100,000. where is the OBL or AQ link.
new delhi: while the pakistani inter services public relations claimed that former isi director-general lt-gen mahmud ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on monday, the truth is more shocking. top sources confirmed here on tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" india produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the world trade centre. the us authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to wtc hijacker mohammed atta from pakistan by ahmad umar sheikh at the instance of gen mahumd. senior government sources have confirmed that india contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed isi chief. while they did not provide details, they said that indian inputs, including sheikh?s mobile phone number, helped the fbi in tracing and establishing the link. a direct link between the isi and the wtc attack could have enormous repercussions. the us cannot but suspect whether or not there were other senior pakistani army commanders who were in the know of things. evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake us confidence in pakistan?s ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition. indian officials say they are vitally interested in the unravelling of the case since it could link the isi directly to the hijacking of the indian airlines kathmandu-delhi flight to kandahar last december. ahmad umar sayeed sheikh is a british national and a london school of economics graduate who was arrested by the police in delhi following a bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an american citizen.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes...cleshow/1454238160.cms
new delhi: while the pakistani inter services public relations claimed that former isi director-general lt-gen mahmud ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on monday, the truth is more shocking. top sources confirmed here on tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" india produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the world trade centre. the us authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to wtc hijacker mohammed atta from pakistan by ahmad umar sheikh at the instance of gen mahumd. senior government sources have confirmed that india contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed isi chief. while they did not provide details, they said that indian inputs, including sheikh?s mobile phone number, helped the fbi in tracing and establishing the link. a direct link between the isi and the wtc attack could have enormous repercussions. the us cannot but suspect whether or not there were other senior pakistani army commanders who were in the know of things. evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake us confidence in pakistan?s ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition. indian officials say they are vitally interested in the unravelling of the case since it could link the isi directly to the hijacking of the indian airlines kathmandu-delhi flight to kandahar last december. ahmad umar sayeed sheikh is a british national and a london school of economics graduate who was arrested by the police in delhi following a bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an american citizen.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes...cleshow/1454238160.cms
Lemon law
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The stupidity of of teh following palehorse74 contention has to be a classic---We're not there to force our own ideology on anyone -- we are there to destroy everyone who supports the Taliban and AQ. Period.
Which is the quid essential definition of palehorse74 forcing his ideology on everyone.
And somewhat misses the point. Al-Quida does not equal the taliban. They are different organizations with different goals. And to pretend that arrogant prigs in our own leadership who espouse palehorse74 type positions do not have the net effect of increasing taliban and Al-Quida support is naive in the extreme.
And is made even more glaring by palehorse74 open threat to TGB that he is coming to deal death to every Pakistani moderate in all of Pakistan. As if that is the answer, kill the Green Bean, kill kill kill. Then on to China, only over a billion people to kill there, have gun will travel.
I can only say to The Green Bean, America is not a basically fascist country even though our current leadership acts like it. Our current delusions are only temporary, soon we will replace our current leadership with smarter types, and Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and the USA can jointly help build a better and more rational world, even if your region does not exist in a vacuum.. Or thus is my hope. I am very confident that the taliban and Al-Quida will be handicapped in competing in the free marketplace of ideas. But even if palehorse74 does not know it yet, he will also be the big loser in the free marketplace of ideas. He already is, see palehorse74 fail, see palehorse74 make excuses, see palehorse74 boast, and given all the tools we have given him, he can't see that force is not the answer and that his ideas fail. A guaranteed way to fail in the free marketplace of ideas.
Which is the quid essential definition of palehorse74 forcing his ideology on everyone.
And somewhat misses the point. Al-Quida does not equal the taliban. They are different organizations with different goals. And to pretend that arrogant prigs in our own leadership who espouse palehorse74 type positions do not have the net effect of increasing taliban and Al-Quida support is naive in the extreme.
And is made even more glaring by palehorse74 open threat to TGB that he is coming to deal death to every Pakistani moderate in all of Pakistan. As if that is the answer, kill the Green Bean, kill kill kill. Then on to China, only over a billion people to kill there, have gun will travel.
I can only say to The Green Bean, America is not a basically fascist country even though our current leadership acts like it. Our current delusions are only temporary, soon we will replace our current leadership with smarter types, and Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and the USA can jointly help build a better and more rational world, even if your region does not exist in a vacuum.. Or thus is my hope. I am very confident that the taliban and Al-Quida will be handicapped in competing in the free marketplace of ideas. But even if palehorse74 does not know it yet, he will also be the big loser in the free marketplace of ideas. He already is, see palehorse74 fail, see palehorse74 make excuses, see palehorse74 boast, and given all the tools we have given him, he can't see that force is not the answer and that his ideas fail. A guaranteed way to fail in the free marketplace of ideas.
palehorse
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I never said any such thing. As usual, in lieu of any understanding of the material being discussed, you cast generalizations and other nonsensical tidbits in a deranged effort to make yourself look educated on the subject; while, in fact, there are kids in grade-school who understand more about the current war in Afghanistan than you ever will.
I would sincerely appreciate it if you NEVER put words in my mouth again.
We will be coming for the Taliban and AQ, wherever they can be found -- so, unless TGB is one of theirs, or supports them directly, he and the rest of the moderate Pakistanis have nothing to fear.. at all.
Like I said, we have one goal, and one goal only -- that is, we will eradicate the Taliban, AQ, and anyone who supports them. Period.
Those who are not Taliban, AQ, or any other version of anti-American violent extremist, have nothing whatsoever to fear from the United States and our allies.
But, if the shoe fits...
LOL.. when was the last time you had an original thought? you've certainly never presented any ideas here.. at least none that were "marketable."
You're a misguided fucking joke.
So.. the Taliban destroyed buddhist statues, pretty much thinks women are inferior to men in every possible way and denies them medical care, education and jobs. Allows a plane hijacking (IC-814) by terrorists. But yes we should definitely talk to them they are definitely extremely sane and rational people.
Proof? All planes that were hijacked were domestic flights. Using your logic it was the Americans that allowed the planes to be hijacked not the taliban. Go kill all security officials at all the airports responsible for their support for the hijackers. People who believe stupid arguments that your media and government brainwash you with make me sick! :disgust:
Lemon law
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The delusion present in this thread is that there is some concrete definition of good and evil and that concrete definition can be defined as a single variable. But the palehorse delusion is that he is that GOD appointed arbiter, who can go into another society, and unerringly distinguish the people who are 100% evil and leave unscathed the people who are 100% good. Perhaps because the taliban wear black hats that say T and Al-Quida wears black hats saying AQ.
And that somehow both Al-Quida and the Taliban are simply people who were born conceived in sin. Predestined to be tainted by bad ideas and incapable of ever learning better. And they started out by picking the wings of flies, and went on to band together with a goal of tearing down society because they just hate everyone. And in a sense, one can always find a few such examples. And if we listed to the British in 1776, our George Washington was one such person along with Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and the rest of those rabble rousers. And since they could not be persuaded, they had to be hunted down and killed.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, AQ and the taliban think they are the good guys and they are saving their world from the bad guys in GWB, Palehorse, and the rest of the evil Western imperialists. And at least in the case of the taliban, they are also saving their world from their own home grown thugs who set up their own private fiefdoms. And to do so, they must embrace their romantic old way of life that never really was before the Western imperialists came. With the rather draconian measure of disenfranchising 50% of their population, namely all females, in the process. Normally such religious states have limited shelf lives, the people rebel when these leaders themselves become decadent. But in the grand scheme of things, at least the taliban did break the power of the war lords that were holding Afghanistan in state of near perpetual anarchy that the petty squabble of the US and the Soviet Union helped create. And on the good side of the ledger, Afghanistan was finally moving towards a state of nationhood where trade and commerce was becoming possible because goods could be transported because thievery was now stopped. And left alone, Afghanistan would have started resembling much of Pakistan which was embracing modernity and the benefits it brings.
As we all know, AL-Quida and not the taliban attacked us, and now we are in this big snit. And we can't see that things are multi dimensional, and are reduced to the same romantic failings the taliban has about preserving a way of life that never was. We see nothing but evil in them and they see nothing but evil in us.
I can't per say disagree with palehorse that the taliban represents the wrong road for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, I am simply saying we have to show them rather than force them. And because we have built nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have nothing to show.
And that somehow both Al-Quida and the Taliban are simply people who were born conceived in sin. Predestined to be tainted by bad ideas and incapable of ever learning better. And they started out by picking the wings of flies, and went on to band together with a goal of tearing down society because they just hate everyone. And in a sense, one can always find a few such examples. And if we listed to the British in 1776, our George Washington was one such person along with Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and the rest of those rabble rousers. And since they could not be persuaded, they had to be hunted down and killed.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, AQ and the taliban think they are the good guys and they are saving their world from the bad guys in GWB, Palehorse, and the rest of the evil Western imperialists. And at least in the case of the taliban, they are also saving their world from their own home grown thugs who set up their own private fiefdoms. And to do so, they must embrace their romantic old way of life that never really was before the Western imperialists came. With the rather draconian measure of disenfranchising 50% of their population, namely all females, in the process. Normally such religious states have limited shelf lives, the people rebel when these leaders themselves become decadent. But in the grand scheme of things, at least the taliban did break the power of the war lords that were holding Afghanistan in state of near perpetual anarchy that the petty squabble of the US and the Soviet Union helped create. And on the good side of the ledger, Afghanistan was finally moving towards a state of nationhood where trade and commerce was becoming possible because goods could be transported because thievery was now stopped. And left alone, Afghanistan would have started resembling much of Pakistan which was embracing modernity and the benefits it brings.
As we all know, AL-Quida and not the taliban attacked us, and now we are in this big snit. And we can't see that things are multi dimensional, and are reduced to the same romantic failings the taliban has about preserving a way of life that never was. We see nothing but evil in them and they see nothing but evil in us.
I can't per say disagree with palehorse that the taliban represents the wrong road for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, I am simply saying we have to show them rather than force them. And because we have built nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have nothing to show.
Palehorse74 said:
Heh.., the deep ignorance of our government is inexcusable. It's no secret that the ISI is, at best, ambivalent about "fighting" against the Taliban and the Pashtuns going back and forth across the border. And how can we do anything if what should be our most highly trained intelligence and special forces personnel are rotated out before they even know which end is up much less have any fluency in Pashto?
We have a government that believes it can coopt "allies" into performing American policy as opposed to their own. What led them to expect honest cooperation from the ISI? Did anyone really believe that it would be in Pakistan's interest to actually support an American takeover of Afghanistan?"
Heh.., the deep ignorance of our government is inexcusable. It's no secret that the ISI is, at best, ambivalent about "fighting" against the Taliban and the Pashtuns going back and forth across the border. And how can we do anything if what should be our most highly trained intelligence and special forces personnel are rotated out before they even know which end is up much less have any fluency in Pashto?
We have a government that believes it can coopt "allies" into performing American policy as opposed to their own. What led them to expect honest cooperation from the ISI? Did anyone really believe that it would be in Pakistan's interest to actually support an American takeover of Afghanistan?"
Lemon Law,
"I can't per say disagree with palehorse that the taliban represents the wrong road for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, I am simply saying we have to show them rather than force them. And because we have built nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have nothing to show."
I don't think these folks are the kind that think "If the West leaves us alone, we could do the normal things in life like educate our children, build hospitals and electricity plants, supply water, build bridges etc.". Remember that the Taliban, along with Al-Qaeda had Afghanistan pretty much to themselves in the '90s and they were more interested in maintaining beard length, women in shuttlecock clothing, waging war, cutting off hands and feet etc..
Islamism, like any other "ism" is a threat that is real and has to be faced up to. The first footsteps that were taken in that direction like invading Iraq were obviously the wrong ones but hopefully the lessons will be learned.
"I can't per say disagree with palehorse that the taliban represents the wrong road for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, I am simply saying we have to show them rather than force them. And because we have built nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have nothing to show."
I don't think these folks are the kind that think "If the West leaves us alone, we could do the normal things in life like educate our children, build hospitals and electricity plants, supply water, build bridges etc.". Remember that the Taliban, along with Al-Qaeda had Afghanistan pretty much to themselves in the '90s and they were more interested in maintaining beard length, women in shuttlecock clothing, waging war, cutting off hands and feet etc..
Islamism, like any other "ism" is a threat that is real and has to be faced up to. The first footsteps that were taken in that direction like invading Iraq were obviously the wrong ones but hopefully the lessons will be learned.
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