re:RIAA - Taking a Stand Against the Madness
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MovingTarget
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Hate to say it but the excuse of "the market will bear it" goes both ways. The music industry has changed, is changing, and will continue to bend to the will of the American people. Personally, the only thing I wanted to see happen was for CD prices to drop back to a reasonable level. $20 for a CD? You're f4cking kidding me. Then you expect me to pay that much since "the market will bear" and then start kicking and screaming that in truth the market WILL NOT bear it? Sorry, breaking the law is bad but if no one will represent the interest of the people, the people will take the situation into their own hands.
Originally posted by: Tabb
I enjoy the theives vs. theives battle
I support neither "thief". What I oppose is the precedent the RIAA's tactics set.
CkG
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Tabb
I enjoy the theives vs. theives battle
I support neither "thief". What I oppose is the precedent the RIAA's tactics set.
CkG
But the fileshare's is better supposedly? How? $150k and the such is WAY Too much for a single song. The amount paid should be based on your activity in filesharing communities, Programs, Amount of activity, amount shared and internet conection and amount of mp3s. I see abosulutely nothing wrong with the 12 year old judgement of the payment of $2,000. She had what? 1000 Mp3s? Assuming she shared every single song once (She problly didnt share every single song once prolly more than once but some maybe never.) As far as who's at fault is the file sharing company's, her parents where mislead into thinking this is legal.
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Tabb
I enjoy the theives vs. theives battle
I support neither "thief". What I oppose is the precedent the RIAA's tactics set.
CkG
But the fileshare's is better supposedly? How? $150k and the such is WAY Too much for a single song. The amount paid should be based on your activity in filesharing communities, Programs, Amount of activity, amount shared and internet conection and amount of mp3s. I see abosulutely nothing wrong with the 12 year old judgement of the payment of $2,000. She had what? 1000 Mp3s? Assuming she shared every single song once (She problly didnt share every single song once prolly more than once but some maybe never.) As far as who's at fault is the file sharing company's, her parents where mislead into thinking this is legal.
Ummm - do you understand what "I support neither "thief"." means?
Again - i could care less about what the infraction may be - this is about the process the RIAA has used to "uphold the artist's copyright".
CkG
Does it really matter anymore ? I mean when corporations like Disney can get congress to change copyright laws by throwing money in the faces of politicians how the hell is the average Joe going to fight that ? Let' face it the system is totally corrupt and devoid of any sanity if you don't have the big bucks to change it.
you know, in pure capitalism, the RIAA wouldn't have all these draconian BS copyright laws to let sue for arbitrary and ridiculous amounts of money for single tracks ($100000+ for a single COPY of a song or whatever? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!), and they'd be forced to adapt with legitimate techinology instead of trying to extort their own customers. Adjust with the times, because your current days are numbered.
indeed, the best part is how all the money the lawyers and execs are taking from file sharers, none of it goes to artists. looks like we know whose really stealing from who now.
Nobody has been forced to pay $150,000 for having downloaded one song. The college students who have settled for several thousands of dollars got off easy, considering the music they made available online for others had been downloaded at least several thousand times.
When a certain member of Metallica talked of 'dubbing tapes' in his early days, he didn't mean 'I had over one thousand people come to my house and dub a copy of a CD title I purchased', which is the equivalent of what is happening on P2P. I remember those days.
You would let perhaps two other friends make copies of a few original CDs or cassettes, but little more because it was too much of a pain in the ass. One cassette took ~40 minutes to copy. On good decks with 2x dubbing it still took ~20 minutes. So if there were three friends, each having two new releases to share, it took all damned day for everyone to get what they wanted. It was a pain in the ass really.
And on no occassion did one permit total strangers to make copies, let alone thousands of them. It was limited exclusively to one's close-knit circle of friends. Few made once-removed copies because they began to sound worse than FM radio.
In retrospect, we were not any more 'honest' than today's teenagers. There were real barriers to mass sharing many times removed, so we couldn't do it. And because we couldn't do it, we bought more music than we shared. And because we bought more music than we shared, we learned to moderate our appetite for music to an equilibrium point with what we could afford (like everyone else on the planet WRT every other product on the planet).
We also learned that not being able to afford as many CDs as one's heart desires - thus not getting as many CDs as one's heart desires - doesn't kill anyone.
When a certain member of Metallica talked of 'dubbing tapes' in his early days, he didn't mean 'I had over one thousand people come to my house and dub a copy of a CD title I purchased', which is the equivalent of what is happening on P2P. I remember those days.
You would let perhaps two other friends make copies of a few original CDs or cassettes, but little more because it was too much of a pain in the ass. One cassette took ~40 minutes to copy. On good decks with 2x dubbing it still took ~20 minutes. So if there were three friends, each having two new releases to share, it took all damned day for everyone to get what they wanted. It was a pain in the ass really.
And on no occassion did one permit total strangers to make copies, let alone thousands of them. It was limited exclusively to one's close-knit circle of friends. Few made once-removed copies because they began to sound worse than FM radio.
In retrospect, we were not any more 'honest' than today's teenagers. There were real barriers to mass sharing many times removed, so we couldn't do it. And because we couldn't do it, we bought more music than we shared. And because we bought more music than we shared, we learned to moderate our appetite for music to an equilibrium point with what we could afford (like everyone else on the planet WRT every other product on the planet).
We also learned that not being able to afford as many CDs as one's heart desires - thus not getting as many CDs as one's heart desires - doesn't kill anyone.
apoppin
Lifer
How? you ask . . .
By BOYCOTTING the RIAA's product - REFUSE to buy new CDs any longer.
There is a growing grassroots comsumerism campaign to stage an "official" 1 day CD-buying boycott on Black Friday . . . look for the long RIAA topic in OT (and help shut down the big-mouth "moralist" ridiculers).
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