Discussion RDNA4 + CDNA3 Architectures Thread

[DisEnchantment]

With the GFX940 patches in full swing since first week of March, it is looking like MI300 is not far in the distant future!
Usually AMD takes around 3Qs to get the support in LLVM and amdgpu. Lately, since RDNA2 the window they push to add support for new devices is much reduced to prevent leaks.
But looking at the flurry of code in LLVM, it is a lot of commits. Maybe because US Govt is starting to prepare the SW environment for El Capitan (Maybe to avoid slow bring up situation like Frontier for example)

See here for the GFX940 specific commits

History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. - History for llvm/lib/Target/AMDGPU - llvm/llvm-project

github.com

Or Phoronix

More AMD "GFX940" Enablement Work Landing In LLVM - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

There is a lot more if you know whom to follow in LLVM review chains (before getting merged to github), but I am not going to link AMD employees.

I am starting to think MI300 will launch around the same time like Hopper probably only a couple of months later!
Although I believe Hopper had problems not having a host CPU capable of doing PCIe 5 in the very near future therefore it might have gotten pushed back a bit until SPR and Genoa arrives later in 2022.
If PVC slips again I believe MI300 could launch before it

This is nuts, MI100/200/300 cadence is impressive.



Previous thread on CDNA2 and RDNA3 here

Question - Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now. First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time! Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[adroc_thurston]

Well, missing the market window is a 'didn't work out' in my book

Tiled Navi4's were always a fair bit later after the monodies.

Raw execution is knowing when to move on instead of diddling.

Less moving on and just betting the tiled abomination for a tiny bit later.

 

[jpiniero]

I think low-end Blackwell could be also good depending on specs and price. I was thinking It could use only 96-bit, but I left It only for the cutdown version and only 24gbit modules will be used.

I wouldn't be surprised if the low end Blackwell uses GDDR6 or 6X.

One thing I am wondering about is how far will Corpos go to compromise their products to push AI AI AI. It won't be an issue for NV's high end, because they will just charge enough more... but at the lower end I am thinking the die sizes will be flat at best (assuming N4P)... so I could easily see GB205/6/7 raster game performance being little to none better over the current products.

I do think that N48 will use the x800 series, maybe even x900 just to have something there.

 

[adroc_thurston]

maybe even x900 just to have something there.

no lol.

 

[Mahboi]

One thing I am wondering about is how far will Corpos go to compromise their products to push AI AI AI.

Depends on the clients as usual. Uzzi already said that AMD removed the SLC on Strix Point because muh NPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU from MS.

It won't be an issue for NV's high end, because they will just charge enough more... but at the lower end I am thinking the die sizes will be flat at best (assuming N4P)... so I could easily see GB205/6/7 raster game performance being little to none better over the current products.

Honestly I don't think NV cares for the low end.

 

[jpiniero]

no lol.

N48 clamshell for big bux mb?

 

[adroc_thurston]

N48 clamshell for big bux mb?

Not the pricing tier it fits into.
Also clamshells are p much Radeon Pro only on bigger things.

 

[soresu]

Depends on the clients as usual. Uzzi already said that AMD removed the SLC on Strix Point because muh NPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU from MS.

Letting MS determine your product design seems a fools errand.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Letting MS determine your product design seems a fools errand.

that's the only way for windows PCs.

 

[Mahboi]

Letting MS determine your product design seems a fools errand.

Preaching to the choir.
But for a ton of huge corpos, a lot of policy isn't decided based on what is smart but on where the money flow will be. No point in finding 10g of gold in a a 10m^3/mn stream if you have the facilities to search for 20g of gold in a 100m^3/mn stream.
AI sure is proving that these days.