Razer Copperhead v. Diamondback Plasma v. MX518

hennethannun

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Just in case anyone out there is considering buying a new Razer mouse, i have tried both Diamondback and Copperhead and here are my impressions. Of course, all of the touch-feel comparisons are totally subjective and may be very different for you. [Edit note: I have added information about the MX518 to the end of this topic as of26/10/05]

Overall shape: Significant edge to the copperhead. they are almost identical, but the slightly raised arch on the copperhead makes the thing infinitely more comfortable in my (rather small) hands. it just feels so much nice to rest my palm on top of the mouse when browsing, even though i still use just my fingers when gaming. Also, the standard copperhead feels a bit lighter to me than the plasma, but i haven't weighed and can't be sure. The copperhead also looks ever so slightly slicker than the plasma. the blue glows are very similar, but the copperhead is a bit brighter, and the contrast of cool blue lights and solid black body is just a bit more stylish than the smoky-clear plasma.

Sensitivity: So far, I have found the diamondback slight more sensitive than the copperhead. they are both very fast and twitchy, but the diamondback seems smoother., but since i just got my copperhead, i am sure that as i use the copperhead, it will feel better. It's also worth noting that i am using a dark, stiff mousepad or exactly the kind that (supposedly) gives many laser mice trouble, but which is supposed to be the strength of the IR sensor in the plasma. I DID have trouble using a MX1000 on this mouse pad, but so far the copperhead has not been obviously troubled, just slightly less smooth than the plasma.

Main Buttons and Scroll: Victory for the plasma here. the buttons are the same shape on both mice, but the plasma's buttons feel more substantial, almost as if they were made of out slightly denser plastic (both have the same rubber/silicon finish). I think part of the problem may be that there is a bit of play on the left click of my copperhead, making it a little loose and noisy.
As for the scroll wheels, i again prefer the diamondback. The detents are almost identical, but the copperhead has raised ridges on the exterior surface of the wheel, and the torsional resistance is a bit lower. It is a very personall thing, but i prefer the smooth, resistant wheel on the diamondback (although i could see it being a problem if the wheel were to loose its surface friction with wear). The middle clicking is the same on both mice.

Side Buttons: Here is a mixed bag and that surprised me. Like everyone i expected to find the copperhead's button placement much more convenient, and it was, sort of...
For my thumb, the new buttons are great. they are nice and long, making them suitable for many different thumb sizes, but still responsive and easy to differentiate. the real problem arises when i try to use the OTHER two buttons. because of the concave sides of the mouse, the buttons are actually underneath a sort of overhang, and actually click back UP into the mouse body at a slight angle. this is great for the thumb, but VERY inconvenient for the pinky. to make things worse, the rear pinky button my mouse is slightly defective and INCREDIBLY stiff, making an already inconvenient button damn near impossible to use. All in all, the diamond back wins this round, since i found those buttons a bit inconvenient, but definitely usable (although i do hate the little braille dots on each button, they do help me find the right place to click, but they also blister my fingers with extended use)

Software: Another mixed bag, but overall a win for the copperhead. The diamondback drivers are pretty bare bones, offering only three tabs and relatively few adjustments (buttons, scroll/pointer speed, doubleclick). copperhead has all that, plus independent x-y axis adjustments, the ability to bind ANY mouse key to mouse button 4 or 5 (diamondback had only one button that could be mouse 4 and another that HAD to be mosue 5, very inconvenient). Unfortunately, i have not gotten much use out of the 32kb internal memory on my copperhead yet, the drivers are not very clearly laid out in terms of saving new profiles (i need to do some reading) and i couldn't get the update firmware feature to work (the comp doesn't recognize my mouse when i follow their update instructions). Overall, copperhead wins this just by offering more options. the only real advantage i can see for diamondback is that it allows you to bind two buttons to a mouse button (on on the depress and another on the release). As of now, i can't figure out how to do this with copperhead.

Fit and Finish: Overwhelming victory for the diamondback plasma. I was absolutely dismayed at the quality of my copperhead mouse. after reading on razerzone that EVERY copperhead is inspected by hand at the factory, I was upset to discover such poor craftsmanship in my mouse. Not only is the left-button very loose, and the rear-pinky button very stiff and actually recessed into the mouse body (all the other buttons are slightly raised), but the large teflon foot at the bottom of my mouse was almost completely detached when i took the mouse out of the box. Now these are relatively minor issues and it is entirely possible that i just got a dud mouse, but considering the amount of money I paid for this mouse, i expected german engineering, not italian. In contrast, my plasma feels very tight and well put-together. no rattles or loose buttons, well fit body panels etc etc. All in all, if i decide to keep Copperhead, i will definitely send it in to razer for a replacement.

Overall:
There is a lot to like about both of these mice, and unfortunately, each one has something the other doesn't.

The perfect mouse would be copperhead shape, with more plasma-y pinky side mice, copperhead drivers and diamondback main buttons/scroll. I have not decided whether or not to keep my copperhead, and it will probably take me a week of two of serious gaming to figure it out...
 

shortylickens

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OK, since no one else asked:
Who was this guy before he was banned?

OR.....
Is this a use with multiple logins and he only makes good posts with that account?
 

hennethannun

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pcboy,
you're right, there is nothing wrong with italian (in fact, I'm half italian: my mom's maiden name is lamborghini, seriously); italian engineering, on the other hand...

and shorty,
nice idea, but I have never been banned, this is my only acount and i really am new to the forums. Or at least i am new to posting on the forums: i have been reading posts and reviews at anandtech for a couple years now, but it is only recently that i got a job that pays enough for me to get somewhat serious about computer hardware...
 

hennethannun

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ok, i have now had a chance to use the mx518 for several hours, so i though i would add that mouse to my review.

Overall shape: although the height and footprint of the mx518 is similar to that of the diamondback and copperhead, it feels like a much bigger mouse. part of this is that the 518 is a bit wider than the razer mice and, being right-hand-specific, it is much more 'fitted' to the shape of my hand. I found it reasonably comfortable, providing excellent hand-support, with a rather nice (if a bit shallow) thumb groove on the left side of the mouse. However, for me this mouse falls apart when it come to my last two digits. I simply could not get my pinky and ring finger comfortable with this mouse. there are ridges where i would like to rest my fingers and hollows where i would look for support. all-in-all the mouse is pretty comfortable, and everyone's hands are different, but in the end i couldn't get comfortable.

Sensitivity: I found the mouse to be very smooth and almost indistinguishable from my diamondback. I did not note any of the twitchy-ness or spastic movement that i found in the copperhead. the 518 is an excellent mouse in terms of smooth performance and accurate response.

Main Buttons and Scroll: the main buttons on the 518 are the typical logitech desgin of a single piece of plastic arching over the main body oof the mouse with two philanges forming the left and right buttons at the forward endge of the mouse. they action is very short on these buttons and they produce a nice, distinct click. I like these main buttons, but they are not quite as nice as razers. I love the concave shape of razers main buttons. And it is worth pointing out that the feel of logitech's buttons changes significantly as ones fingers move back along the mouse's body. So people who hold the mouse with their fingers may have more trouble using these buttons, since it requires more force depress them as one's fingers move further back. In contrast, razers buttons have the same action all along their entire length (and they are more about 3 inches long), a small detail that i found quite impressive. The scroll where on the mx518 is small, narrow and only sticks up a tiny bit above the body of the mouse. the detents, surface friction and clock function of the scroll wheel were all fine, but after using razers superlative scroll wheel, I have to say the 518's wheel is a bit diappointing. It just doesn't feel as nice to me. it is harder to roll because of it's small size, and the slighlty looser, shorter click action makes it feel less firm and controllable than razer's wheel.

Side Buttons: The side buttons on the 518 are better than those on razer's mice. botht umb buttons are very easy to reach, and just as easy to differentiate. I never once hit the wrong thumb button (don't know why logitech would take one away for the g5). The dpi +/- buttons are above and below the scroll wheel which makes them easy to use and impossible to mix up: nice placement. There is an aditional button below the dpi down button that by default is bound to logitech's application changer. I would never use the app changer, but having an extra button to bind is always nice, and it can be bound to macro or keystroke and then used in a game with little difficulty. However, this last button is kind of hard to reach, forcing me to either use the first knuckle on my index finger, or curl up my finger to use the end. I would not use this button for a function that i would make frequent use of, and i cannot imagine that the g5 (where both dpi buttons have been moved to the app changer button's location) would be comfortable to use.

Fit and Finish: The mouse feels very nice. it is a bit heavier than either razer mouse, and feels very firm and solid. excelent overall build quality (as one would expect from a $40-50 mouse).

Overall: I liked this mouse, but lots of little, irksome problems kept me from loving it. First of all, the dpi switch is very nice. by default it swaps between 400, 800 and 1600 dpi. and this even works without drivers, which is really nice. Razer's on-the-fly-sensitivity offers more tweakability than thsi dpi switch, and the copperhead offers both dpi switch and on-the-fly, which is the ideal solution, but the 518's dpi switch is great and works as advertised. I did not like the overall shap of the mouse since it ended up hurting my pinky and ring finger after extended use, but the shape is almost just right. if logitech would just do a little redesign work, this mous could be the ideal shape. The main buttons and scroll wheel are just not as nice as razer's. period. they are nice and they work fine, but razer's are better.
So in the end, setting price aside, i am a razer fan. the copperhead has slightly better features than the mx518 (as one would expect from a newer product), while both razer mice have a superior design for my hands. Other peopel may well prefer the logitech shape (which is identical to the mx510). Taking price into consideration, the copperhead must be excluded due to it's $80 pricetag. leaving both the diamondback and the mx518 in the $40-50 dollar range. Between those two, i would recommend trying out both mice and settling for the one you find more comfortable...