Rayon McIntosh freed!!! McDonalds asswooping from a few months ago.

[NetWareHead]

Like every other Internet discussion, people spout all kinds of black and white macho BS. Carry on with your rabid dehumanizing borderline racist discussion.

No, you attempted to make this a racist or racially motivated discussion by speculating that race was a factor in why we are cheering him on.

We sure have come along way since the days of tribal warfare and cave dwelling.

We sure have but as evidenced by the video, those two women are animals and need more time too evolve from animals and into humans. Those two don't deserve any babying or sympathy.

 

[Jeffg010]

It amazes me that we always get a few tards that defend the criminals. Bottom line is you don't go around attacking people and maybe shit like this won't happen. He defended himself and the court of law agreed, end of story.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

It amazes me that we always get a few tards that defend the criminals. Bottom line is you don't go around attacking people and maybe shit like this won't happen. He defended himself and the court of law agreed, end of story.

No one here defended them. We just said he got a few extra shots in and he has a record of being a violent criminal himself. You understand that not everything is 100% black and white right? His use of force can start out as legitimate and then go to far.

 

[jessieqwert]

He is not a police officer - and therefore not bound by rules of escalation. What if the first blow happened to kill one of the attackers? Unlucky? maybe. Going too far? The assailants already did.

Ask yourself this - when would you ever climb over the counter at a McDs?

Or take the same scenario and replace it with a younger manager with no criminal record. Still as bad?

 

[the DRIZZLE]

He is not a police officer - and therefore not bound by rules of escalation. What if the first blow happened to kill one of the attackers? Unlucky? maybe. Going too far? The assailants already did.

Ask yourself this - when would you ever climb over the counter at a McDs?

Or take the same scenario and replace it with a younger manager with no criminal record. Still as bad?

If the first blow killed the attackers there would be no issue. That is not a defense for hitting a person who is on the ground and represents no threat. There has to an imminent threat to your safety and the force that you use has to be reasonable.

 

[spidey07]

If the first blow killed the attackers there would be no issue. That is not a defense for hitting a person who is on the ground and represents no threat. There has to an imminent threat to your safety and the force that you use has to be reasonable.

There is if they are getting up and coming after you again as can be seen in the video. The threat was already there and the threat was still there when they tried to get up and go after him again. Based on their previous actions one could reasonable assume they presented possibility of grevious bodily harm or death. You can even read his side in the article.

"I feared for my life"

Oh, and I do know the laws in my state and this very thing was covered in class by our attorney general. The exact scenario if they are on the ground, can you shoot them or defend yourself - "If they move toward you or reach for something you are authorized to use deadly force".

"I feared for my life"

Can you not see how after the previous actions of the disparity of force of 2 on 1 how he would fear for his life when they attempted to get up and come after him again?

Now there was a case in my state where a lady shot a guy after he got off his motorcycle and approached her driver side window, she shot him. The shoot was good, it was when they exited their vehicle and she and her son proceeded to ghetto stomp the now laying on the ground not moving motorcyclist that was a problem.

 

[Jeffg010]

If the first blow killed the attackers there would be no issue. That is not a defense for hitting a person who is on the ground and represents no threat. There has to an imminent threat to your safety and the force that you use has to be reasonable.

What you failed to see in the video is that the person that jumped over the counter tried to get back up and so he hit her again you my friend are defending them. Again let say this don't jump over a counter and try to attack someone.

"person who is on the ground and represents no threat." Say who YOU? What if she had a gun do you know 100% she did not have a gun? You my fiend assume way to much.

 

[Todd33]

What if she had fricken sharks with lasers on their heads? You guys will try to rationalize anything far fetched hypotheticals. That guys never feared for his life, especially when he was beating them on the ground. What a BS argument. The bottom line was the woman on the floor's instinct was to "flight" and his was to "fight", neither one was doing any thinking. The whole thing would have gone over much better if a co-workers held him back and someone held the woman until the police came.

 

[Jeffg010]

What if she had fricken sharks with lasers on their heads? You guys will try to rationalize anything far fetched hypotheticals. That guys never feared for his life, especially when he was beating them on the ground. What a BS argument. The bottom line was the woman on the floor's instinct was to "flight" and his was to "fight", neither one was doing any thinking. The whole thing would have gone over much better if a co-workers held him back and someone held the woman until the police came.

NO the whole thing would gone much better if they did not jump over the counter. Quit defending them you are wrong.

 

[NetWareHead]

What if she had fricken sharks with lasers on their heads? You guys will try to rationalize anything far fetched hypotheticals. That guys never feared for his life, especially when he was beating them on the ground. What a BS argument. The bottom line was the woman on the floor's instinct was to "flight" and his was to "fight", neither one was doing any thinking. The whole thing would have gone over much better if a co-workers held him back and someone held the woman until the police came.

Lol, so if I were there and followed your advice, now its a 2 on 1 fight, me against the two women, me trying to stop them from approaching my coworker. And now I'm involved. And I'm also on camera putting my hands on these two women, which could be interpreted as me starting a fight with them. No, this guy handled it properly and put these 2 dogs down.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

What you failed to see in the video is that the person that jumped over the counter tried to get back up and so he hit her again you my friend are defending them. Again let say this don't jump over a counter and try to attack someone.

"person who is on the ground and represents no threat." Say who YOU? What if she had a gun do you know 100% she did not have a gun? You my fiend assume way to much.

You don't seem to have the cognitive ability to differentiate between criticizing his actions and defending theirs so I'm not going to debate you further.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

There is if they are getting up and coming after you again as can be seen in the video. The threat was already there and the threat was still there when they tried to get up and go after him again. Based on their previous actions one could reasonable assume they presented possibility of grevious bodily harm or death. You can even read his side in the article.

"I feared for my life"

Oh, and I do know the laws in my state and this very thing was covered in class by our attorney general. The exact scenario if they are on the ground, can you shoot them or defend yourself - "If they move toward you or reach for something you are authorized to use deadly force".

"I feared for my life"

Can you not see how after the previous actions of the disparity of force of 2 on 1 how he would fear for his life when they attempted to get up and come after him again?

Now there was a case in my state where a lady shot a guy after he got off his motorcycle and approached her driver side window, she shot him. The shoot was good, it was when they exited their vehicle and she and her son proceeded to ghetto stomp the now laying on the ground not moving motorcyclist that was a problem.

The exact rules do vary state by state but generally those two conditions that I listed are required. Your fear for your life has to be reasonable. Obviously there was enough grey here that the guy got away with it.

 

[dainthomas]

NO the whole thing would gone much better if they did not jump over the counter. Quit defending them you are wrong.

Yeah, how did those chicks think it was going to end? While maybe going a bit far, that guy probably did a favor for society if the next cracked-out piece of trash thinks twice about trying to assault someone.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Yeah, how did those chicks think it was going to end? While maybe going a bit far, that guy probably did a favor for society if the next cracked-out piece of trash thinks twice about trying to assault someone.

It amazes me what stupid things people can think up to justify their want for vengeance. You seriously think some cracked out piece of trash is going to think over what news stories they've heard when they feel the need to jump over a counter?

I think he went too far, but it's not like he deserves hard time giving the circumstances and how far he went.

 

[dainthomas]

It amazes me what stupid things people can think up to justify their want for vengeance. You seriously think some cracked out piece of trash is going to think over what news stories they've heard when they feel the need to jump over a counter?

I think he went too far, but it's not like he deserves hard time giving the circumstances and how far he went.

I bet the two cracked-out pieces of trash in question will. If any more do, that will just be a bonus.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I bet the two cracked-out pieces of trash in question will. If any more do, that will just be a bonus.

Too bad that's not what you said first. I also highly doubt even these ones will. Idiots like that don't learn as well as you think.

 

[rudder]

2. You don't go over the counter at MacD's.

Some people just gotta learn the hard way.

Especially when the guy behind the counter just got out of prison after 10 years... he doesn't particularly want to hear a lot of shit from dumb ass customers.

 

[thegimp03]

I doubt those two bitches will jump a counter and attack a fast food worker again.

 

[holden j caufield]

looks a little too much but have you guys been in a street fight? I had a drunk try to break into my car. I said wtf are you doing, he of course gets more aggressive, then he gets in a real cheap shot, I knock him a few and get him in a choke hold. He almost passes, I could have choked him unconscious but I let him go thinking that was it.

He's down on all fours sucking for air, about minute later he get up and charges at me again. We scuffle some more on asphalt and I end up with some really nasty scraps and bruises on my elbows and knees and my shoulder. Took months for that to heal and my shoulder was tweaked for some time after. In hind sight I should have soccer ball kicked him in the head when he was on the ground sucking for air.

Here's the thing if the person instigates or is aggressive, once you have the upperhand you need to make sure the threat is contained fully. You don't know what they'll do later. Also I think he turned his back momentarily, DON"T ever do that in during or after the fight.

 

[waggy]

looks a little too much but have you guys been in a street fight? I had a drunk try to break into my car. I said wtf are you doing, he of course gets more aggressive, then he gets in a real cheap shot, I knock him a few and get him in a choke hold. He almost passes, I could have choked him unconscious but I let him go thinking that was it.

He's down on all fours sucking for air, about minute later he get up and charges at me again. We scuffle some more on asphalt and I end up with some really nasty scraps and bruises on my elbows and knees and my shoulder. Took months for that to heal and my shoulder was tweaked for some time after. In hind sight I should have soccer ball kicked him in the head when he was on the ground sucking for air.

Here's the thing if the person instigates or is aggressive, once you have the upperhand you need to make sure the threat is contained fully. You don't know what they'll do later. Also I think he turned his back momentarily, DON"T ever do that in during or after the fight.

My hapkido instructor would always say "fighting just because you can is wrong. BUT if you have to fight make sure you are the one to go home" or something to that effect.

you do not let up until the threat is gone. IF that means choking the bastard out you do it. if it means kicking him in the nuts do it. if it means breaking his arm do it. you get the fight over with as fast as you can so you can remove yourself from the situation. Also use common sense and do not put yourself in a situation where you can be attacked.

 

[dwell]

You continue to focus on his actions which were provoked by a two-on-one fight after he retreated and in a dangerous setting (kitchen with knives and hot oil for instance that can be picked up and used by the attackers). Yet you continue to gloss over and ignore the uncivilized, illegal (they were charged with criminal trespass) and threatening behavior the girls exhibited. So now, who is twisted?

Never said they were right either. I hope they were charged and prosecuted appropriately.

Next time someone tries to pickpocket me I'll be sure to lop their hand off. Never know, they might have a knife, gun or hot oil.

 

[FM2n]

I was just reviewing all the comments and the only thing I could think of is this:

Imagine if this case had no footage. The guy would be guilty. That screaming lady's witness statement would go something like this, "He was beating the two girls with a metal pole over and over and over again, and I was screaming for him to stop but he wouldn't listen! THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!"

Personally he was within his rights to defend himself. I just think it's interesting how people define justification to the guy's history or emotion. After the beat down if he did a Tim Tebow prayer and a lights out dance, he is still NOT GUILTY. As a juror, you are often reminded to judge by the facts presented, not on how it makes you feel.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

Never said they were right either. I hope they were charged and prosecuted appropriately.

Next time someone tries to pickpocket me I'll be sure to lop their hand off. Never know, they might have a knife, gun or hot oil.

You've probably never had a knife pulled on you or been in a street fight. Definitely not fair situation to be in.