Rather than accept their games are crap, publishers blame "review bombs"

Rifter

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I dont understand how you can bomb anything with only one review allowed per account. And you need to have played the game to review it. so......................
 

ImpulsE69

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same thing is being said about movies and rotten tomatoes.

Basically..before it was pirates, now it's reviews. They really don't like to take accountability.

That being said, people are very fickle and b!tchy. While I agree with some review bombs, others are indeed blown out of proportion. Either way, it's not up to the publishers to decide who gets to review and who doesn't.
 

JSt0rm

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Things do get review bombed though. If you piss off the gamer gate people they will group think your game into the single digits.
 

JimKiler

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Sounds like Steam protecting their income.

Why not require a review to have more than 10 words and >5 hours of game play?

Yes and helping us, I would like to know about these bombs and make a choice if i know why the bombs are occurring since for instance i could care less about the DLC store for playerunknown's battlefield since i have yet to buy it. Thus being able to ignore those reviews would help me see the filtered score to something that does not bother me.
 
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Aikouka

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I don't think it's necessarily the worst thing. It usually happens due to something potentially slimy that a publisher does. For example, I think it happened to Bethesda with Fallout 4 and the addition of the Creators Club. The reason why I don't think it's bad is because Steam has two separate review amalgamation listing: recent and overall. It's not uncommon for games that have received unsavory changes (like Fallout 4) to have a poor recent rating, but a good overall rating. This usually gets me to take a look down below to see what the hubbub is all about, and if it's something that I don't want to deal with, I won't buy it.

This makes me wonder... I think it would be interesting if we could see a graph with average review scores over time.
 

WhiteNoise

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This shit does happen though. It doesn't bother me. If I want a game I just buy it. Steams return policy is pretty good.
 

paperfist

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Also this still doesnt address the real issue: Most Steam reviews are not actually reviews.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/378860/reviews/?browsefilter=toprated&snr=1_5_reviews_

They are either fanboys being fanboys, or haters being haters. A small fraction of them are genuine reviews.

I think that's what they actually mean by bombs. I'll see it where there's post after post of 5 word reviews that give me a headache instead of be helpful.

I don't think Steam helps out when you can sort reviews by 'funny'.
 

paperfist

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Some casual games will never get 5 hours of play time ever. But I do agree with the word count.

Shouldn't be hard to limit words by game type.

BTW, devs are able to address bad reviews with their own posts. It's not unlike a plumber getting a bad review on a site and then making their own counter post.
 

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Steam need to take reviews down, they are worthless as a whole. Firewatch and the PEWPEW thing shows it. had good reviews, then the blow up and its getting horrible reviews from PEW fans. As for devs being able to respond, do you have time to reply (intelligently to "this game suck your moms *****" and that kind of post all day long? Most devs are probably patching or working on something new. Sure a few posts deserve some time.. but not a few hundred. The sad part they (steam reviews) where not to bad at the start, sure there was crap, but it was not half the stuff you read, it was a small amount. Its alot like WoW , when it started it most people where quite helpful, ask a question in chat today, make sure any young children are not in the room, and worse yet, wait the 30 minutes for the chat to let it go (do they use WoW for a chat program or a game, I am not sure) and move to some other poor person asking something. Anything the general public can get too with no real policing ends up a huge hate fest. We as a whole are just not very pleasant to each other if we don't see 100% eye to eye.In the past you just ignored it, but with anonymity behind screens, the dreges of the world feel quite hardcore and will say whatever they want, worst they get a ban and start a new account, not very much worry about actually being accountable for what they say.
 

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I love the review system, and I like the changes made. I pretty much immediately go to negative reviews (this goes for products on other platforms as well, like amazon) and see what's said to look for trending. It also helps to discern what a game actually is when the screenshots/descriptions don't really explain it, which I've run into a few times. The new trending charts are cool too, to see if there's been an incline in reviews more recently due to changes in the game, or a decline based on either bugs introduced or developer abandonment.

I say the more information the better, I'm more than capable of filtering out the garbage myself, and while 'review bombing' is a real thing, it's isolated enough that I could care less. If you can acknowledge that there's a bomb in a given timeframe (thanks to the charts), just ignore those reviews, and either look at more recent or historical.
 
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Aikouka

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Steam need to take reviews down, they are worthless as a whole.

If I remember correctly, Steam did change how you can vote on reviews. Originally, you could only upvote or downvote a review, but now you can mark it as "funny" or whatever. It's kind of like how the Three Wolf T-shirt reviews were popular on Amazon, but they weren't actual reviews. Those would be marked as funny. Well, where I'm going with this is that you can usually just search for things that are marked as helpful. In the case of most games, I find good information about the game's quality, which is important, because we receive a decent number of console ports, and the Japanese are notoriously bad at making good console ports. I've looked at some games, and the comments talk about using assets from previous-generation consoles (i.e. PS3 assets instead of PS4)!

Unfortunately, these reviews wouldn't be necessary, but I think Valve got strict about negative keywords. If I remember correctly, Steam users used to add keywords to games like "bad console port", but Valve ended up removing those. Keywords have largely become a categorical affair these days.

Its alot like WoW , when it started it most people where quite helpful, ask a question in chat today, make sure any young children are not in the room, and worse yet, wait the 30 minutes for the chat to let it go (do they use WoW for a chat program or a game, I am not sure) and move to some other poor person asking something. Anything the general public can get too with no real policing ends up a huge hate fest. We as a whole are just not very pleasant to each other if we don't see 100% eye to eye.In the past you just ignored it, but with anonymity behind screens, the dreges of the world feel quite hardcore and will say whatever they want, worst they get a ban and start a new account, not very much worry about actually being accountable for what they say.

I think things like World of WarCraft changed due to Blizzard making the game much more inclusive and that making a rather large player base. That sounds like a great thing from a monetary perspective as Blizzard gets more subscribers, which nets them more profit, and that keeps the game going longer. So, in turn, you could say it's good for the fans, but the problem is that the environment becomes far less inviting and more hostile. We've seen the same thing in Overwatch as the game has become somewhat unbearable to play. I played Overwatch in the closed beta, and it was great. I actually compare the experience to what it was like to play in vanilla WoW as everyone was pretty sociable and played properly. These days, most people tend to be far less nice and don't care about playing a team-based FPS as a team player. You know it's bad when people get into games and they realize that it's likely going to be a loss from the start. (Of course, that doesn't mean that the player realizing it doesn't try to win.)

As for World of WarCraft, its decline came due to Blizzard making so many automated systems that you no longer had to rely on the social aspect to play the game. Back in the day, a lot of the game was about making your own adventure and doing what you found fun. You didn't need Blizzard giving you dailies to keep you busy. You just did what you wanted to do, which was nice, because it meant you weren't on some strict, day-to-day schedule! (Doing dailies on multiple characters each day is largely what causes me to burn out and quit every expansion.) You had to be social and chat with people to end up joining a guild or organized group to do PVE or PVP. You'd end up meeting people and adding the good ones as friends because it was always helpful to know people to run things with since the game couldn't automatically pair you.
 

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Review bombs aside, I think the charts are a good idea. A lot of games change a bit over time so it can be a good quick indicator if a patch ruined a game or made an otherwise middling game great. This is even more useful once you consider all the early access schlock that's on Steam these days.

I'm also not sure a simple yes/no is that helpful. I see a lot of reviews that read "this is a good game, but I have to give it a negative because xxxxxx" or "i'm giving this game a positive because it's a great concept but <manifesto of critical flaws>." Not that numbers or stars are that great either because people overreact with those systems and they also encourage review inflation since anything < 85% is often considered terrible/
 
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Review bombs definitely are a thing, and I'm positive that this move by Valve is a reaction to the most recent occurrence: Pediepie's followers review bombing Firewatch.
 

ImpulsE69

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No matter how you try to sugar coat it, it is still placing blame and basically calling gamers stupid because they can't figure it out for themselves. Most people on Steam are very aware of how to read review bias.
 
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shortylickens

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I just noticed a new one.

Apparently Rockstar or Take Two recently deleted a WHOLE LOTTA money from peoples accounts in GTA 5 and now many of them are changing their positive reviews to negative.
One dude had 4500 hours invested and wrote a scathing tell-all in Steam.
 

Ranulf

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And that gta5 reviewer doesn't have the right to do that? How else do average customers make their voice heard? Welcome to social media world. My heart weeps oh so much for the Firewatch devs and their very public and hypocritical virtue signalling.
 

werepossum

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same thing is being said about movies and rotten tomatoes.

Basically..before it was pirates, now it's reviews. They really don't like to take accountability.

That being said, people are very fickle and b!tchy. While I agree with some review bombs, others are indeed blown out of proportion. Either way, it's not up to the publishers to decide who gets to review and who doesn't.
Well said, and I agree completely. I very much dislike people giving extremely negative reviews based solely on being pissed off by something before the game is even finished, but any possible remedy would be worse.
 

DigDog

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people whose livelihood depends on selling a specific product, *may* occasionally release statements to the press knowing that the content of those statements is not correct, if this facilitates them in selling said product.