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piasabird

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Rat Brain Flies Jet!

These scientists are a little bit more progressive than mosts.

They grew a brain from rat neurons over a lattice so they can connect outside input and controls for the brain to control.

Soon you can be replaced with a Custom Made Brain!
 
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Kibbo

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Where can I find more details, from a more reputable source?

This stuf is creepy and cool at the same time. Very eXistence, Rifts, I dunno. What's the original source for Bio-cybernetics? Who came up with the idea first?
 
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Sysbuilder05

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Rat Brain Flies Jet!

These scientists are a little bit more progressive than mosts.

They grew a brain from rat neurons over a lattice so they can connect outside input and controls for the brain to control.

Soon you can be replaced with a Custom Made Brain!
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Ah geezz,for a minute I though Bush put his flight suit back on so he could land on another carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished"

 
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KidViciou$

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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Originally posted by: piasabird
Rat Brain Flies Jet!

These scientists are a little bit more progressive than mosts.

They grew a brain from rat neurons over a lattice so they can connect outside input and controls for the brain to control.

Soon you can be replaced with a Custom Made Brain!
Click to expand...

Ah geezz,for a minute I though Bush put his flight suit back on so he could land on another carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished"
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:p hahahaha
 
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Kibbo

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I read a few more articles on this, including Discovery.com. I guess this is legit. They talked about other similar experiments where petrie brains actually drew recognizable drawings (resembling "a child's scribbles") with a robotic arm

Am I the only one who is a little wigged out by this? Drawing pictures?

This simultaneously raises questions regarding the ethics of creating these brains casually in the lab, as well as futher questions regarding the sentience of lab animals.

I'm not sure what I'm saying, or what I think of this. Gotta walk this one off. Hope the weather's nice.
 
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mwtgg

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Dec 6, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Originally posted by: piasabird
Rat Brain Flies Jet!

These scientists are a little bit more progressive than mosts.

They grew a brain from rat neurons over a lattice so they can connect outside input and controls for the brain to control.

Soon you can be replaced with a Custom Made Brain!
Click to expand...

Ah geezz,for a minute I though Bush put his flight suit back on so he could land on another carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished"
Click to expand...

Ah geezz,for a minute I thought you were trying to be funny.
 
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tweakmm

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May 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: Kibbo
I read a few more articles on this, including Discovery.com. I guess this is legit. They talked about other similar experiments where petrie brains actually drew recognizable drawings (resembling "a child's scribbles") with a robotic arm

Am I the only one who is a little wigged out by this? Drawing pictures?

This simultaneously raises questions regarding the ethics of creating these brains casually in the lab, as well as futher questions regarding the sentience of lab animals.

I'm not sure what I'm saying, or what I think of this. Gotta walk this one off. Hope the weather's nice.
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Imagine what would be going through the minds of the first scientists to see a brain scrawl out "help me" or "you will all die for your crimes against nature".
 
nCred

nCred

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
a brain grown in a petrie dish.
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Wait till they grow a human brain like that.. would be interesting.
 
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Tom

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
a brain grown in a petrie dish.
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that makes no sense to me. a petrie dish is a piece of glass, it isn't organic.

 
Zebo

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
a brain grown in a petrie dish.
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that makes no sense to me. a petrie dish is a piece of glass, it isn't organic.
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You put a nutrient agar in it just like when you farm bacteria, fungi, spores whatever.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Sysbuilder05
Originally posted by: piasabird
Rat Brain Flies Jet!

These scientists are a little bit more progressive than mosts.

They grew a brain from rat neurons over a lattice so they can connect outside input and controls for the brain to control.

Soon you can be replaced with a Custom Made Brain!
Click to expand...

Ah geezz,for a minute I though Bush put his flight suit back on so he could land on another carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished"
Click to expand...

Ah geezz,for a minute I thought you were trying to be funny.
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Hehe, he was funny. I thought the same thing, sounds like an Onion article title! :D
 
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Sysbuilder05

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Ah geezz,for a minute I though Bush put his flight suit back on so he could land on another carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished"[/quote]

Ah geezz,for a minute I thought you were trying to be funny.[/quote]

Your right,nothing funny at all about Bush and his chest pounding proclamation and the WH supplied sign in the background. Pathetic really.....

 
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KidViciou$

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Kibbo
I read a few more articles on this, including Discovery.com. I guess this is legit. They talked about other similar experiments where petrie brains actually drew recognizable drawings (resembling "a child's scribbles") with a robotic arm

Am I the only one who is a little wigged out by this? Drawing pictures?

This simultaneously raises questions regarding the ethics of creating these brains casually in the lab, as well as futher questions regarding the sentience of lab animals.

I'm not sure what I'm saying, or what I think of this. Gotta walk this one off. Hope the weather's nice.
Click to expand...
Imagine what would be going through the minds of the first scientists to see a brain scrawl out "help me"
Click to expand...


hahahah, scary. i wonder how the brain knows it's able to draw though, and with no prior knowledge, how does it know to draw ANYTHING tangible? i don't think a scriblle line constitues a child's drawing

 
jpeyton

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Giving computers real brains ---> Matrix ----> Terminator 2: Judgement Day
 
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Kibbo

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Originally posted by: KidViciou$


hahahah, scary. i wonder how the brain knows it's able to draw though, and with no prior knowledge, how does it know to draw ANYTHING tangible? i don't think a scriblle line constitues a child's drawing
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According to the article, they were able to repeatedly "show" an object to the brian, and the brain would use a robotic arm to draw a recognizable, though crude, representation. It didn't specify which animal's brain it used, how it "showed" it to the brain, nor how it "trained" the brain to draw it (possibly operant conditioning using dopamine?). It was a website article, not an academic journal. But the experiment was apparantly successful enough to inspire this aeroplane one.
 
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Alistar7

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This is exactly the kind of stuff that makes the Bushies and Religicons get their panties in a bunch, and the kind of stuff that makes me not mind as much the fact that I am stuck on this rock.....
 
3chordcharlie

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: KidViciou$


hahahah, scary. i wonder how the brain knows it's able to draw though, and with no prior knowledge, how does it know to draw ANYTHING tangible? i don't think a scriblle line constitues a child's drawing
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According to the article, they were able to repeatedly "show" an object to the brian, and the brain would use a robotic arm to draw a recognizable, though crude, representation. It didn't specify which animal's brain it used, how it "showed" it to the brain, nor how it "trained" the brain to draw it (possibly operant conditioning using dopamine?). It was a website article, not an academic journal. But the experiment was apparantly successful enough to inspire this aeroplane one.
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Simple:

They proxied the experimental brain with my brain

They proxied 'showing it the pictures' with handing me a girlie magazine

I'm still not sure how they taught to draw as well as a young child though, that's always been beyond me.
 
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