Rasmussen poll: about 71% of Americans see political correcness as a problem

[Moonbeam]

Stop huffing paint thinner, moonbeam. It's bad for you.

You should try not to get upset by the fact that others know things the limitations of your experience prevent you from understanding. It's not personal. You can't help being as ignorant as you are. Try not to insult me because it only makes it harder for you to dig yourself out of your hole. I am a nobody and paint thinner can take nothing from me. I am the worst in the world. You're going to have one hell of a hard time trying to insult me.

 

[Moonbeam]

/this

and of thread.

No, that is just ego bravado. Read the Bible, a soft answer turns away wrath,

The world is full of vacuum cleaners sucking on vacuum cleaners. Don't get caught in the suck.

 

[Joepublic2]

You should try not to get upset by the fact that others know things the limitations of your experience prevent you from understanding. It's not personal. You can't help being as ignorant as you are. Try not to insult me because it only makes it harder for you to dig yourself out of your hole. I am a nobody and paint thinner can take nothing from me. I am the worst in the world. You're going to have one hell of a hard time trying to insult me.

Well; if you came by your terrible opinions sober, I feel even more sorry for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well; if you came by your terrible opinions sober, I feel even more sorry for you.

I feel so worthless I reject any form of pity. I am simply not worth it. But I do thank you for trying.

 

[fskimospy]

Shit happens to investments, you should know better.

At least he tells it like it is rather than just saying "Hey, I will give you more, just vote Democrat and we'll all be poor!"

That investments aren't certain is meaningless relative to what I posted.

He also does not tell it like it is in any way, shape, or form. He peddles a tough guy fantasy about how he's going to fix trade problems with China with a phone call, (lol, no) how he's going to make Mexico pay for a fence against it, (lol, no) and how he's got a tax plan that's going to help things despite being comically underfunded and providing no explanation as to why.

There is not a single solution he has put forth that does not rely on magical thinking and hoping his audience doesn't notice. That's the exact opposite of telling it like it is.

His "campaign" is designed to appeal to people who value bluster and a tough guy persona. You don't care that he's lying to you because that sort of tough guy shtick appeals to you. (I mean you kind of do the same thing on here)

 

[Vic]

Conservatives very much have our own PC, but we lost that battle in the sixties. Now burning an American flag will get one treated as a hero, whereas violating the left's PC code of the day can get one mandatory sensitivity counseling at the least.

I am forced to disagree. I have never once seen anyone treated as a hero for burning an American flag.
In the meantime, if anyone were to enter into any conservative/right wing discussion, and did not agree with 100% with the right wing talking points, they would be attacked as liburul, a traitor to America, and worse. And God forbid one were to fault white America or the South in anyway, there would be threats made, along with accusations of racism.

Conservatives absolutely still have their own PC.

 

[nickqt]

funny... In one phrase you say one thing but describe how you mean another.
You say people have the right to say what they want, but you consider it to be "the right thing to do" to consider any opinion you don't like or disagree with "vile shit." that key word is 'vile' - something repulsive to be hated by everyone. Why? Because you say so.

I didn't say anything remotely bordering on that.

Dehumanizing someone is vile. To me. And to other people. And yet, people are 100% free to say those vile things, and I will continue to support the ability of people to say vile shit just like that. Vile shit doesn't mean it must be universally hated by everyone. It means disgusting. Nasty. Morally wrong.

You are politically free to say something I consider morally wrong. Welcome to America!

And that person should be punished for saying it because you feel offended. what you consider to be "consequences" of speech are harsh punishments reserved for crimes. Not mere disagreement or argument, but punishable via several means.

You're either intentionally leaving out what I said, or misrepresenting it.

I said that the speech is protected politically, leaving US citizen-consumers the ability to punish speech it disagrees with ECONOMICALLY.

Let me state that again: Consumers alive and running around here in the FreeMarket, can and will punish people ECONOMICALLY because guess what...that is what the FreeMarket exists for. In fact, I hear it all the time that the FreeMarket will punish people who violate social mores as consumers can just vote with their wallets, just like shareholders can vote with their feet and divest.

Well, guess what. It is 100% legal for any citizen to boycott any company they want. So, unless you think it should be illegal to start a boycott, then you likely agree that economic punishment is a legitimate way for people to punish behaviour they do not support, or find vile and morally wrong.

This is why pc has gone too far. It, and its followers, only allow one narrative to be permitted. Wrongthink is to be punished severely, not merely disagreed with.

That's a massive stretch. Because people can boycott a product, or talk shit about someone over twitter, there is only one allowed narrative?

I seem to remember people getting upset at Chic-Fil-A a few years back because the CEO made statements against gay marriage or something like that. Chic-Fil-A totally folded in this PC environment, amirite?!? They've failed as a chain, because only one narrative is allowed to exist!!!

Your argument is laughable.

Yes, just one narrative is allowed, and the closure of Chic-Fil-A is proof!!

how thoughtful. :wub:

See, that's just it. The pc agenda dictates what is considered goodthink and wrongthink. You go against that narrative, you get its pc-police screaming "bigot! Misogynist!!" and shame-punish that person either into compliance or silence.

This picture represents the "silence" you describe perfectly.

Just look at all of those people, silenced by Political Correctness!!!!!!!

To disagree with the pc narrative even a tiny bit is to bring down its minions accusing you of the worst crimes-against-pc they can call on. If you don't support women 100% even when she's demanding something completely unreasonable, you're still called a "woman hater". Bring up a genuine problem within a certain ethnic community without malice, you're still called a "racist". Wish to discuss the problems within a pc-protected group? No way, "hatemonger!"

no discussion allowed. Accept our narrative or be shamed and accused until you leave or get booted by a person in power who's either supportive or at least afraid of being shamed themselves for not complying with the demand to deliver pain by proxy.

You really expect anyone to take this pearl-clutching statement seriously when Donald Trump is the leading Republican candidate for President and makes statements that are instantly classified as bigotry, misogyny and racism, EVEN BY OTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!?!?

Seriously. Trump. Leading every other Republican candidate. Not being silenced. Not being shamed off the stage. Not being booted by a person in power.

Again, Political Correctness is NOT a real problem. It's simply the fact that some people want to be able to say things that they know other people consider vile, and not have any repercussions. End of story.

And you say the truthtellers are the ones incapable of discussion, repeating only key phrases over and over? Not even remotely close, although the pc crowd with endlessly crow their pc phrases to no end, as if repetition made them true (no matter how many times their precious myths get debunked - like the 'pay gap'.)

if we're not even allowed to have a discussion, the ones shutting down the discussion is part of the problem. Pc is shutting down discussion. Period.

Ipso facto by this very conversation, the above is absolutely incorrect. Here we are. Having the discussion. Just like Trump is.

No one is "shutting down" the conversation. It's that people don't speak up and say things they know they'll get pointed at for saying. The conversation occurs here, there and everywhere, all day, every day. But, many people who want to say racist, bigoted, misogynist things keep their mouths shut because they're afraid of the consequences.


BONUS ROUND!

The Planned Parenthood videos which do not show ANY illegal behaviour or wrongdoing, are causing people to throw fits.

In fact, the right is using the GUBMINT(!) to try to defund Planned Parenthood as we speak!

That's an economic boycott, using the government, to punish SPEECH that the RIGHT considers politically incorrect.

OH NO! The PC MONSTER IS COMING FOR THE LIBRUULS!

Funny, that.

 

[feralkid]

Trump lives in a different world, much the same as I do.

Everyone knows this.

 

[LegendKiller]

That investments aren't certain is meaningless relative to what I posted.

He also does not tell it like it is in any way, shape, or form. He peddles a tough guy fantasy about how he's going to fix trade problems with China with a phone call, (lol, no) how he's going to make Mexico pay for a fence against it, (lol, no) and how he's got a tax plan that's going to help things despite being comically underfunded and providing no explanation as to why.

There is not a single solution he has put forth that does not rely on magical thinking and hoping his audience doesn't notice. That's the exact opposite of telling it like it is.

His "campaign" is designed to appeal to people who value bluster and a tough guy persona. You don't care that he's lying to you because that sort of tough guy shtick appeals to you. (I mean you kind of do the same thing on here)

Sure they are, if you want to rip on him for them, then you need to be called on it since they aren't certain. Please tell me how much he went back to his dad for.

You probably could fix the trade problem with China with a warning. Free flow, or else.

His campaign is designed to call out all of the forked tongue politicians on their bullshit, just like Jesse Ventura did. It was refreshing not to be sweet talked 24/7. It cleaned up MN politics a little bit and drove change.

 

[werepossum]

I am forced to disagree. I have never once seen anyone treated as a hero for burning an American flag.
In the meantime, if anyone were to enter into any conservative/right wing discussion, and did not agree with 100% with the right wing talking points, they would be attacked as liburul, a traitor to America, and worse. And God forbid one were to fault white America or the South in anyway, there would be threats made, along with accusations of racism.

Conservatives absolutely still have their own PC.

Certainly the right still has political correctness within its own enclaves. I've had accounts magically disappear on Hannity.com and on Lucyanne.com because on those forums I was a raging liberal compared to the average forum its. My point is that society at large no longer cares about the right's PC, whereas the left's PC is very much in force. There are no micro aggression lists or safe zones for righties (not that we need them) as exist for the left. We live in a society where mentioning Jesus will get your commencement speech killed and you dragged off stage, whereas quoting Marx will bring approving nods. Historically America was a nation where the opposite was true, but the left managed to take over academia and thus courts its wackiest extremists while rejecting anything to the right of Mao. Straight white Christian males are consistently targeted (which again is fine) whereas anything touching a woman or minority must be carefully refined to be only respectful. A white man murders black people and we get literally days of exploring who caused him to be so racist; a black man murders white people and the media is still trying to figure out his motives, willfully ignoring that he told us why he did it. That's political correctness, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure they are, if you want to rip on him for them, then you need to be called on it since they aren't certain. Please tell me how much he went back to his dad for.

You probably could fix the trade problem with China with a warning. Free flow, or else.

His campaign is designed to call out all of the forked tongue politicians on their bullshit, just like Jesse Ventura did. It was refreshing not to be sweet talked 24/7. It cleaned up MN politics a little bit and drove change.

Yeah, Jesse Ventura was a great choice.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah, Jesse Ventura was a great choice.

Never said *he* was a great choice but sometimes you need to mix it up a bit. Besides, he could have turned out differently. Look how much Obama has failed and he was billed on "hope and change"

 

[fskimospy]

Never said *he* was a great choice but sometimes you need to mix it up a bit. Besides, he could have turned out differently. Look how much Obama has failed and he was billed on "hope and change"

Obama is probably one of the most consequential presidents in the last 30 years from a policy perspective.

Please tell us how 'mixing it up' is valuable empirically.

 

[LegendKiller]

Obama is probably one of the most consequential presidents in the last 30 years from a policy perspective.

Please tell us how 'mixing it up' is valuable empirically.

Yeah, consequential alright.

Let's see...


China checked? Nope. (Great islands you have there!)

Medical system fixed? Nope. (I thought he compromised well?)

Can you keep your plan? Nope. ( but, he said!)

Putin checked? Nope. (All Crimea and a bag of chips)

Middle east a massive clusterfuck? Yup. (where to start? Isis, egypt, syria, libya, iran)

Black unemployment very high? Yup. (I thought he was black?)

Student loans at an all time high? Yup. (But more loans makes it "affordable"!)

I can go on, and on, and on.

 

[nickqt]

Yeah, consequential alright.

Let's see...


China checked? Nope. (Great islands you have there!)

Medical system fixed? Nope. (I thought he compromised well?)

Can you keep your plan? Nope. ( but, he said!)

Putin checked? Nope. (All Crimea and a bag of chips)

Middle east a massive clusterfuck? Yup. (where to start? Isis, egypt, syria, libya, iran)

Black unemployment very high? Yup. (I thought he was black?)

Student loans at an all time high? Yup. (But more loans makes it "affordable"!)

I can go on, and on, and on.

Don't forget how we all didn't get unicorns.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, consequential alright.

Let's see...


China checked? Nope. (Great islands you have there!)

Medical system fixed? Nope. (I thought he compromised well?)

Can you keep your plan? Nope. ( but, he said!)

Putin checked? Nope. (All Crimea and a bag of chips)

Middle east a massive clusterfuck? Yup. (where to start? Isis, egypt, syria, libya, iran)

Black unemployment very high? Yup. (I thought he was black?)

Student loans at an all time high? Yup. (But more loans makes it "affordable"!)

I can go on, and on, and on.

You're just ranting without substance.

It's funny that you complain about other people being confined to twitter while doing exactly the same thing you complain about.

Again, you, like Trump, are a person that substitutes bluster for thinking.

 

[LegendKiller]

You're just ranting without substance.

It's funny that you complain about other people being confined to twitter while doing exactly the same thing you complain about.

Again, you, like Trump, are a person that substitutes bluster for thinking.

So that's all you've got? I could back up all of that but you don't dare refute any of it. You know I'd own your ass. Nice try chuckles.

 

[feralkid]

I can go on, and on, and on.

Everyone knows this.

 

[VRAMdemon]

We don't have a common language in America any more. Even the word "PC" means different things to different people and groups. White Americans speak a different language than black Americans. Conservatives speak a different language than liberals. Rich people speak a different language than the poor or the middle class. Politicians speak a different language than the voters. There is less and less agreement on words and their meaning anymore. With no basis for discussion, everyone just takes up positions and hurls insults at each other. (case in point: this thread) Outrage and identity politics has replaced discussion. With the advent of social media, we need to see if we can find common ground for talking in America again.

Social media as it exists today is not really dialogue. It's a safe distance sometimes anonymous outlet to state series of sound-bite, zinger, gotcha monologues, where tone gets misconstrued and listening isn't designed to occur. It, more than any other factor, is the cause of the renewed PC wars. Step away from the keyboard. See how much better we get along with real human conversations. I would love to see some people on social media call their conservative or liberal leaning sweet little old grandma a "right wing nutjob" or a " SJW libtard" to their face.

People are free to think anything they want about other people's speech. They are free to behave in any LEGAL way toward it. But if every group that is offended begins to demand silence for speech it does not like, then you go down the slippery slope of having less speech.

And the people who pull out that "PC" card against people they think are too PC whenever THEY don't like what they hear seem to be more "sensitive" than the people they are complaining about.

 

[fskimospy]

So that's all you've got? I could back up all of that but you don't dare refute any of it. You know I'd own your ass. Nice try chuckles.

Go for it, chuckles. You depend on bluster so nobody calls you on it.

Give me point by point statements on everything you just said and I will take you to school.

Take your time, you stupid, blabbering shithead.

By the way, how's that bond prediction of yours going?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, consequential alright.

Let's see...


China checked? Nope. (Great islands you have there!)

Medical system fixed? Nope. (I thought he compromised well?)

Can you keep your plan? Nope. ( but, he said!)

Putin checked? Nope. (All Crimea and a bag of chips)

Middle east a massive clusterfuck? Yup. (where to start? Isis, egypt, syria, libya, iran)

Black unemployment very high? Yup. (I thought he was black?)

Student loans at an all time high? Yup. (But more loans makes it "affordable"!)

I can go on, and on, and on.

You realize that Obama had to govern by going around the greatest collection of assholes the world has ever seen?

 

[LegendKiller]

You realize that Obama had to govern by going around the greatest collection of assholes the world has ever seen?

Yeah? and?

 

[nickqt]

So that's all you've got? I could back up all of that but you don't dare refute any of it. You know I'd own your ass. Nice try chuckles.

Yeah, consequential alright.

Let's see...


China checked? Nope. (Great islands you have there!)

Yes, Obama should go to war with China. Or embargo one of our biggest sources of goods.

How do you propose this problem be magically solved?

Besides unicorns.

Medical system fixed? Nope. (I thought he compromised well?)

Yes, Fixed. Obama was supposed to have solved Every. Single. Problem.

Oh, wait. He campaigned on increasing the number of people who have access to health care. And he succeeded.

Can you keep your plan? Nope. ( but, he said!)

So, are you lying by saying that no one got to keep their plan? Because you do realize that most people kept their plans, since most plans were through their employers. Unlike what raving morons believe, the health insurance industry is still private, and Obama couldn't wave a unicorn at them to stop them from changing their policies.

Putin checked? Nope. (All Crimea and a bag of chips)

Checked? Well, unless you think we should go and invade, then yes, he has checked them. Ukraine is still a sovereign nation, and Russia's currency took a major shit. Of course, he could have handled it like your personal hero George W. Bush, and simply stared into Putin's eyes while penning him a poem, as he took over Ossetia. Of course it took some Frenchie to handle that.

Middle east a massive clusterfuck? Yup. (where to start? Isis, egypt, syria, libya, iran)

Wow. Yes, because Obama inherited a very stable middle east from your personal hero George W. Bush.

Wake the fuck up.

Black unemployment very high? Yup. (I thought he was black?)

What does Obama being black have to do with anything? Well, it doesn't matter, unless you're just dog whistlin' away. Black unemployment is higher or lower than it was on Jan. 19th, 2009?

Oh, it's lower. But still, no 40 acres and a unicorn for every black man.

Student loans at an all time high? Yup. (But more loans makes it "affordable"!)

Well, let's see.

There are more students now than there were in 2009. There are still colleges since the economy hasn't been taken over by Mexico, China, or Agenda21/Jade Helm.

So, what was Obama supposed to do, besides wave a unicorn and make student loan debt decrease? Print money? Forgive the debt? Replace each student loan dollar of debt with a 1/1000th of a unicorn?

I can go on, and on, and on.

And continue just listing things that only unicorns are able to solve unilaterally.

Please, do.

 

[LegendKiller]

Go for it, chuckles. You depend on bluster so nobody calls you on it.

Give me point by point statements on everything you just said and I will take you to school.

Take your time, you stupid, blabbering shithead.

By the way, how's that bond prediction of yours going?

You haven't posted any counterpoints. Ball is in your court.

Which bond prediction?

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah? and?

Striking a deal is usually about having to deal with assholes.