Rasmussen poll: about 71% of Americans see political correcness as a problem

[nickqt]

Awe, poor baby gonna cwy. There now little baby, don't worry, momma will let you suck her tit until you're 30 anyway. After all, she wouldn't want to make you feel uncomfortable about yourself.

You're a very stupid and insecure person.

You're the one on here crying like a bitch that you can't call people names without being pointed at.

Cry more.

It's ok, coward.

Cry more.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Awe, poor baby gonna cwy. There now little baby, don't worry, momma will let you suck her tit until you're 30 anyway. After all, she wouldn't want to make you feel uncomfortable about yourself.

Talking/writing like you do doesn't make you any bigger, badder, more meaningful...it simply shows how little you actually have to say. You come across like a cheap bully, much like Trump does.

 

[Double Trouble]

People continually confuse 'being criticized for speech' with 'being prevented from speaking'.

That's a good point, those are two entirely different things. Freedom to say what you want doesn't mean freedom from criticism or consequences.

What they really want isn't to be allowed to speak, they already have that, they want to be immune from criticism for it.

All too often now you don't even have the option to speak anymore, especially at colleges and universities. People with a different perspective than the mainstream are often not even allowed to speak anymore (they get shouted down), invitations for speakers who say something that offends someone are withdrawn, professors who say something that someone doesn't like are brought up on charges under school codes and so forth.

I'm not arguing that anyone should be shielded from criticism or consequences of their speech and actions, but the answer to disagreeable speech is more speech, not trying to silence it.

It's not a criminal or legal constraint, but from a societal perspective it is troublesome to see free thought and discourse getting squashed.

The question in the survey wasn't "is government imposed political correctness a problem", it was "is political correctness a problem". To me the answer is a resounding "yes".

 

[Double Trouble]

I'm against political correctness, because I want to be able to call people names and not be pointed at and called on it.

You seem to not have a grasp on what political correctness is. It's not what you seem to think it is.

 

[LegendKiller]

Talking/writing like you do doesn't make you any bigger, badder, more meaningful...it simply shows how little you actually have to say. You come across like a cheap bully, much like Trump does.

No, I am somebody lives and works in a world where you deal with stress, feeling uncomfortable and in distress 3/4 of the time. You suck it up and stop being a Nancy about it. I can't run back to my mommy.

Liberals don't want that. They want you to be dependent. Easier to control. That way you come back every day for another fish.

It's why milllenials can't deal with the workload, why so many are spoiled bitches you wouldn't trust to sharpen your pencil.

Trump lives in a different world, much the same as I do.

It's ok dude, you can take a break from posting and ask your mom for some more hot pockets.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No, I am somebody lives and works in a world where you deal with stress, feeling uncomfortable and in distress 3/4 of the time. You suck it up and stop being a Nancy about it. I can't run back to my mommy.

Liberals don't want that. They want you to be dependent. Easier to control. That way you come back every day for another fish.

Trump lives in a different world, much the same as I do.

It's ok dude, you can take a break from posting and ask your mom for some more hot pockets.

Yep, grade 10 bully. Time to grow up.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yep, grade 10 bully. Time to grow up.

It's ok dude. Not everybody is born to be a winner.

It's funny that you think somebody like hillary actually care for your feelings. She's an even bigger bully than Trump. She just talks with a sweet voice and has cash in her hand.

 

[feralkid]

PC is an extension of Social Justice, which is a cancer in modern society.

Wat?

 

[werepossum]

You can't legislate what people can or cannot say. That is dictatorship type stuff. My Parents didn't need the PC movement to instill in us what is right and decent. Sometimes you must call something what it is, other times, you must use a bit of restraint. You only call someone a dirty beautiful being, if he is actually doing that in a parking lot behind the bar. You don't call a woman a c**t, unless she actually is one. An asshole is as an asshole does. You never call a black person a n@@ger, ever! It's all about respect. Respect begets respect. I treat all people with the same respect they treat me. I will speak the same language as people speak to me. I don't need laws to tell me how to do this.

Damned well said, sir.

I certainly consider myself among the 71%. However, I think my views on the subject might differ anywhere from a little to quite lot from others who are also in the same 71%. The point being, that considering political correctness as "a problem" suggests a whole range of potential views on the subject. Some liberals think that conservatives have their own PC. and hence there may be some libs in that 71% who are thinking about conservative PC.

I think both sides have their PC, though I do think the left's PC is more common and pervasive. I view PC as taking what is fundamentally a good thing a little too far to where it can become difficult to have an open dialogue on numerous important topics. On balance, I'd rather have the downside of PC now then have the open bigotry we had 70 years ago.

PC is very much a generational thing. It's more popular among younger libs (<30) and less popular with older ones. My irritation with it probably stems from my age.

Conservatives very much have our own PC, but we lost that battle in the sixties. Now burning an American flag will get one treated as a hero, whereas violating the left's PC code of the day can get one mandatory sensitivity counseling at the least.

That's a good point, those are two entirely different things. Freedom to say what you want doesn't mean freedom from criticism or consequences.

All too often now you don't even have the option to speak anymore, especially at colleges and universities. People with a different perspective than the mainstream are often not even allowed to speak anymore (they get shouted down), invitations for speakers who say something that offends someone are withdrawn, professors who say something that someone doesn't like are brought up on charges under school codes and so forth.

I'm not arguing that anyone should be shielded from criticism or consequences of their speech and actions, but the answer to disagreeable speech is more speech, not trying to silence it.

It's not a criminal or legal constraint, but from a societal perspective it is troublesome to see free thought and discourse getting squashed.

The question in the survey wasn't "is government imposed political correctness a problem", it was "is political correctness a problem". To me the answer is a resounding "yes".

Also well said. PC has morphed from basic politeness into societal friction acting as an energy drain. Everyone undergoing counseling for committing micro aggressions or violating safe spaces is missing the opportunity to do something useful.

 

[nickqt]

You seem to not have a grasp on what political correctness is. It's not what you seem to think it is.

Political correctness isn't a problem in any real sense, because anyone is free to say the most vile, stupid shit they want, anonymously, or in person, and the speech is almost always protected. Politically.

What pisses a lot of people off is that there can and may be economic consequences to their speech. And they don't like it. In fact, the people who rail on about political correctness are usually the people who want to not only say vile, stupid shit, but not have to face the consequences of their vile, stupid speech. Many of those people consider themselves TruthTellers™, as you can find a dozen or so misogynists and outright bigots on these here forums who will literally describe themselves that way, when most of society sees them as bigots and will describe them as such. And when they get called what they are, out comes the "PC libruuls are ruinin' America" conjuring phrase y'all have been well-trained to repeat.

Now that the average US citizen has stopped actually caring about politics and sees themselves simply as consumers (as they're often described by politicians and the media, which should be disgusting for anyone who is paying attention and cares), those consumers react economically rather than politically a lot of the time. This means that if someone says something that offends them, they can and will try to direct it back economically, because really, that's all the average person can do anymore. Hooray for capitalism, and all that.

So, the "political correctness is a problem" is just the concept that offending anyone, anywhere, for any reason, is absolutely necessary for a free republic. The corollary is that if people are punished economically for their speech, that they are being persecuted. Yet, that isn't reality. Say whatever you want, just don't cry when there are consequences. Thank Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and most other market forces.

Welcome to the market! Where it's always right, unless it isn't.

Trump has a lot of appeal for people who want to say vile, stupid shit, and are too afraid to say it because they're afraid of being pointed at. It's why among a dozen and a half Republican governors and senators who have to be relatively careful about what they say, or walk what they say back within a day, Trump just says what he wants, because he has enough money that it just doesn't matter.

It's not that Trump believes anything that every other Republican candidate doesn't believe. It's that he doesn't care about the economic blow-back, and he's not a current politician, so he just says it. So, "political correctness" can't actually affect him the same way it can affect someone with far less money, or who isn't a sitting politician. And people see him and hear his vile, stupid blathering and love it. They're living vicariously through him, and love the fact that they're told by him that they're the real Americans. Just like him.

I totally support Trump for Republican party nominee. It's about time the ID is aired out, without people like Rmoney walking back the ID, Etch-A-Sketch style, in order to even have a shot in the general.

#Trump 2016

 

[umbrella39]

There is a time and a place for political correctness.

Obviously nobody likes an asshole, but crap like pulling Dukes of Hazzard reruns because of the Confederate flag is just ridiculous.

That was a business doing what it felt was in its best interest without breaking any laws. Caving to PC not found.

 

[Blue_Max]

Political correctness isn't a problem in any real sense, because anyone is free to say the most vile, stupid shit they want, anonymously, or in person, and the speech is [almost] always protected. Politically.
In fact, the people who rail on about political correctness are usually the people who want to not only say vile, stupid shit, but not have to face the consequences of their vile, stupid speech.

Funny... in one phrase you say one thing but describe how you mean another.
You say people have the right to say what they want, but you consider it to be "the right thing to do" to consider any opinion you don't like or disagree with "VILE shit." That key word is 'vile' - something repulsive to be hated by everyone. Why? Because you say so. And that person should be punished for saying it because you feel offended. What you consider to be "consequences" of speech are harsh punishments reserved for crimes. Not mere disagreement or argument, but punishable via several means.

THIS is why PC has gone too far. It, and its followers, only allow one narrative to be permitted. WrongThink is to be punished severely, not merely disagreed with.

Many of those people consider themselves TruthTellers™, as you can find a dozen or so misogynists and outright bigots on these here forums who will literally describe themselves that way, when most of society sees them as bigots and will describe them as such. And when they get called what they are, out comes the "PC libruuls are ruinin' America" conjuring phrase y'all have been well-trained to repeat.

How thoughtful. :wub:

See, that's just it. The PC agenda dictates what is considered GoodThink and WrongThink. You go against that narrative, you get its PC-police screaming "BIGOT! MISOGYNIST!!" and shame-punish that person either into compliance or silence.

To disagree with the PC narrative even a tiny bit is to bring down its minions accusing you of the worst crimes-against-PC they can call on. If you don't support women 100% even when she's demanding something completely unreasonable, you're still called a "woman hater". Bring up a genuine problem within a certain ethnic community without malice, you're still called a "racist". Wish to discuss the problems within a PC-protected group? No way, "hatemonger!"

No discussion allowed. Accept our narrative or be shamed and accused until you leave or get booted by a person in power who's either supportive or at least afraid of being shamed themselves for not complying with the demand to deliver pain by proxy.


And you say the TruthTellers are the ones incapable of discussion, repeating only key phrases over and over? Not even remotely close, although the PC crowd with endlessly crow their PC phrases to no end, as if repetition made them true (no matter how many times their precious myths get debunked - like the 'Pay Gap'.)


If we're not even allowed to have a discussion, the ones shutting down the discussion is part of the problem. PC is shutting down discussion. Period.

 

[Blue_Max]

That was a business doing what it felt was in its best interest without breaking any laws. Caving to PC not found.

Okay... WHY was it in their "best interest"? Flesh that though out.

Who was upset? Why? What were their demands? What would happen if they hadn't promptly complied to those demands?

Or are you saying they just strangely decided it would be a marvelously good idea to "mix things up" that week and spend hundreds of man-hours across the chain just movin' stuff around - purely coincidence, nothing more.

Damn straight they caved before they had a media PC nightmare on their hands.

 

[fskimospy]

No, I am somebody lives and works in a world where you deal with stress, feeling uncomfortable and in distress 3/4 of the time. You suck it up and stop being a Nancy about it. I can't run back to my mommy.

Liberals don't want that. They want you to be dependent. Easier to control. That way you come back every day for another fish.

It's why milllenials can't deal with the workload, why so many are spoiled bitches you wouldn't trust to sharpen your pencil.

Trump lives in a different world, much the same as I do.

It's ok dude, you can take a break from posting and ask your mom for some more hot pockets.

You hear that guys? You don't live in the tough world of a guy who was the son of a multimillionaire real estate mogul, who went to private schools as a kid, avoided the Vietnam war with college deferments, got his start in the business at his dad's company.

After squandering all these advantages, bankrupting tons of people and nearly yourself, you guys didn't have the balls to inherit tens of millions of dollars from your dad and get another bite at the apple. (At which he has apparently been successful)

Millennials are so spoiled. They're just hopelessly dependent on otbers. Not like Trump. He couldn't run back to his mommy. (He had to run back to his daddy, as his daddy had the checkbook)

 

[compuwiz1]

You hear that guys? You don't live in the tough world of a guy who was the son of a multimillionaire real estate mogul, who went to private schools as a kid, avoided the Vietnam war with college deferments, got his start in the business at his dad's company.

After squandering all these advantages, bankrupting tons of people and nearly yourself, you guys didn't have the balls to inherit tens of millions of dollars from your dad and get another bite at the apple. (At which he has apparently been successful)

Millennials are so spoiled. They're just hopelessly dependent on otbers. Not like Trump. He couldn't run back to his mommy. (He had to run back to his daddy, as his daddy had the checkbook)

You are a really stupid mother fucker. The kids we have today can't even do basic math. I recently had such an encounter with a young lady who could not deduct an $8 charge from a $20 bill, without using a calculator. I told her my change would be $12, on stuplidistic math, but she had to try it 3 times, only to find out I was right in the head. Yet, when you talk to some of these kids, they want to be some literary scholar or some political science student.....or some social justice warrior. Crap is being pumped in the heads of millennials, at a mentally bankrupting rate. If you ask an average kid today what is 80% of 100, they are probably going to go to their common core book and come back with the answer an hour later. 5-10 seconds for me, while I take a drink of my beer.

 

[LegendKiller]

You hear that guys? You don't live in the tough world of a guy who was the son of a multimillionaire real estate mogul, who went to private schools as a kid, avoided the Vietnam war with college deferments, got his start in the business at his dad's company.

After squandering all these advantages, bankrupting tons of people and nearly yourself, you guys didn't have the balls to inherit tens of millions of dollars from your dad and get another bite at the apple. (At which he has apparently been successful)

Millennials are so spoiled. They're just hopelessly dependent on otbers. Not like Trump. He couldn't run back to his mommy. (He had to run back to his daddy, as his daddy had the checkbook)

Shit happens to investments, you should know better.

At least he tells it like it is rather than just saying "Hey, I will give you more, just vote Democrat and we'll all be poor!"

 

[soundforbjt]

Shit happens to investments, you should know better.

At least he tells it like it is rather than just saying "Hey, I will give you more, just vote Democrat and we'll all be poor!"

But he hasn't really told us anything, he tells us what's wrong, but no concrete practical solutions he has to fix them. His "border idea" is the perfect example, all talk and no substance, he talks good sound bites and he's smart enough to know it's worked for Fox news for years.

 

[LegendKiller]

But he hasn't really told us anything, he tells us what's wrong, but no concrete practical solutions he has to fix them. His "border idea" is the perfect example, all talk and no substance, he talks good sound bites and he's smart enough to know it's worked for Fox news for years.

Which candidate has said specifics? None.

He has laid out he would raise taxes on the ultra wealthy, get rid of carried interest, cut taxes to the middle class as a result. Raise taxes and tariffs against offshorers, china, Japan. He will create jobs programs for the poor and inner city.

How is the fence impractical? Israel has done a 400mi fence with little problems and their GDP and budget is much smaller.

It is impractical because you want it to be so, not because it is. We put men on the oon, many times and sent a probe to Pluto. We created the first atomic bomb and built the greatest military in history. I think we can figure out a fence.

 

[soundforbjt]

Which candidate has said specifics? None.

He has laid out he would raise taxes on the ultra wealthy, get rid of carried interest, cut taxes to the middle class as a result. Raise taxes and tariffs against offshorers, china, Japan. He will create jobs programs for the poor and inner city.

How is the fence impractical? Israel has done a 400mi fence with little problems and their GDP and budget is much smaller.

It is impractical because you want it to be so, not because it is. We put men on the oon, many times and sent a probe to Pluto. We created the first atomic bomb and built the greatest military in history. I think we can figure out a fence.

Ok, tell me how he is going to get Mexico to pay for the fence.

 

[LegendKiller]

Ok, tell me how he is going to get Mexico to pay for the fence.

Maybe it was hyperbole? Hasn't every other candidate used it too?

I guess trump is held to a higher standard than the perpetual liar Clinton. You guys are just used to it.

 

[Moonbeam]

It doesn't have to be government trouble for it to be a problem. I happen to think everyone is too damn sensitive and we have a culture where everyone is a victim.

But of course it is way too obvious for you to see that the only way that is possible is that people hate themselves, that one can only be offended by something if one already believes it and that the only time in your life when you are dependent enough to swallow horse shit coming from other people was when you were a child and had needs you could not provide for yourself and didn't have the intellect to understand the invalidity of criticism.

There are two ways to appear not to be a victim. One way is to become emotionally dead, to have armor so think it can't be penetrated. This is the way of ego, external identification with some collective, something we call bigger and better, a group of like thinkers of some kind.

There are two parts to the second way, tunneling from both ends. One can achieve something in life that is real, something that could not be achieved by a person who truly was the worst in the world. We have all done that in some degree. Anybody who has or is providing for others, for example, Care for family or community, even anybody who is paying taxes. The second part is to work on ones own mental health, to discover, usually in some therapeutic setting, what one really feels. To relive and remember ones childhood is to take an adult back with you who can comfort the child that was destroyed within us. Real grief is the opening of the door to love for the self.

For the so called men of our culture, the hardened and tough, that door must be opened with a crowbar, as it has been nailed tightly shut. Do not hate them for their political incorrectness because the hate of others is only a reflection of hate for oneself.

 

[Subyman]

I think we've tended to scrutinize wording too much in present day. However, swinging hard in the other direction with direct insults, personal attacks, and denigrating entire groups is not pushing back against political correctness, it's, as it's always been, being an ass.

"Speaking your mind" romantically means saying hard truths that some may not want to hear. It's not letting insults and BS fall from your mouth and then when people call you on it, say they are being too PC.

 

[waggy]

You can't legislate what people can or cannot say. That is dictatorship type stuff. My Parents didn't need the PC movement to instill in us what is right and decent. Sometimes you must call something what it is, other times, you must use a bit of restraint. You only call someone a dirty beautiful being, if he is actually doing that in a parking lot behind the bar. You don't call a woman a c**t, unless she actually is one. An asshole is as an asshole does. You never call a black person a n@@ger, ever! It's all about respect. Respect begets respect. I treat all people with the same respect they treat me. I will speak the same language as people speak to me. I don't need laws to tell me how to do this.

/this

and of thread.

 

[Joepublic2]

The social dominance of white males is under attack along with the bigoted notions they hold that they use to bully their way to that power. When this is confronted by people who suffer the injustice created by dominance of an ignorant and immoral minority, they create terms like social warriors to hold up to their bullying ridicule. They sequel about how their opinions are being repressed by folk say who wear dresses or marry the same sex. They are just another in an endless line of bigoted pigs leaving the stage of history. The victimizer always feels like the victim.

Stop huffing paint thinner, moonbeam. It's bad for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny... in one phrase you say one thing but describe how you mean another.
You say people have the right to say what they want, but you consider it to be "the right thing to do" to consider any opinion you don't like or disagree with "VILE shit." That key word is 'vile' - something repulsive to be hated by everyone. Why? Because you say so. And that person should be punished for saying it because you feel offended. What you consider to be "consequences" of speech are harsh punishments reserved for crimes. Not mere disagreement or argument, but punishable via several means.

THIS is why PC has gone too far. It, and its followers, only allow one narrative to be permitted. WrongThink is to be punished severely, not merely disagreed with.

How thoughtful. :wub:

See, that's just it. The PC agenda dictates what is considered GoodThink and WrongThink. You go against that narrative, you get its PC-police screaming "BIGOT! MISOGYNIST!!" and shame-punish that person either into compliance or silence.

To disagree with the PC narrative even a tiny bit is to bring down its minions accusing you of the worst crimes-against-PC they can call on. If you don't support women 100% even when she's demanding something completely unreasonable, you're still called a "woman hater". Bring up a genuine problem within a certain ethnic community without malice, you're still called a "racist". Wish to discuss the problems within a PC-protected group? No way, "hatemonger!"

No discussion allowed. Accept our narrative or be shamed and accused until you leave or get booted by a person in power who's either supportive or at least afraid of being shamed themselves for not complying with the demand to deliver pain by proxy.


And you say the TruthTellers are the ones incapable of discussion, repeating only key phrases over and over? Not even remotely close, although the PC crowd with endlessly crow their PC phrases to no end, as if repetition made them true (no matter how many times their precious myths get debunked - like the 'Pay Gap'.)


If we're not even allowed to have a discussion, the ones shutting down the discussion is part of the problem. PC is shutting down discussion. Period.

God am I so sick of you raving and raving and raving about how you aren't allowed to say anything. Just said that so you know that I listen to what you say very very carefully, and know also that you may not like it when somebody gets what you are really saying.