Rasmussen out of the Tour De France

ggnl

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I wonder why so many riders are still taking the risk with so many people getting caught.
 

sygyzy

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Man, I kept praising him yesterday at lunch (and throughout the week) as being my hero for this year's tour. I really can't believe it.
 

Homerboy

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Just one more professional sport caught red-handed again. I'd have to say that pretty much any professional sport has > 50% people that are juicing. Such a shame.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: ggnl
I wonder why so many riders are still taking the risk with so many people getting caught.


for the money and eternal fame is my best guess
 
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Originally posted by: ggnl
I wonder why so many riders are still taking the risk with so many people getting caught.

Because most have found a way to beat their system of testing.

After reading an article in ESPN a month or a few back, I personally believe that Lance and, from what it seems pretty much anyone else even reasonably competitive in the sport for about the last decade, have been using something to boost their performance. Sounds like things have really gotten out of hand. It does cheapen things a lot, but at the same time, because of the rampant use, Lance's accomplishments don't lose all merit, but he as a person does.
 

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related story: Gary Player says that several of the top 10 golfers are juiced as well. I think Gary Player was lonely and wanted some attention.
 

2Xtreme21

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I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Kwaipie
related story: Gary Player says that several of the top 10 golfers are juiced as well. I think Gary Player was lonely and wanted some attention.

they were saying the same a few years back when the first stories started about rampant doping abuse in cycling, "they just want some attention"

look where they are now, half of the pro peleton is suspended because of doping

 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?

enriched blood transfusion, more O2 in the blood means faster riding
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?
In simple terms:

It is done so as to not increase the amount of blood you have, but to increase the amount of red blood cells. By increasing your ability to transport oxygen, you become able to ride harder and longer.
 

maddogchen

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that would suck if his b-sample came back negative since he was already suspended and his team dropped out.
 

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?

enriched blood transfusion, more O2 in the blood means faster riding

And faster recovery. Those three week grand tours are a painful grind.
 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?
In simple terms:

It is done so as to not increase the amount of blood you have, but to increase the amount of red blood cells. By increasing your ability to transport oxygen, you become able to ride harder and longer.

How does this work? They get someone else's blood with the same blood type as you, and artificially pump it full of oxygen, then transfuse it into you? Would pumping blood out of you, oxygenating it, and pumping it back in work as well? (Dialysis)?
 

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: ggnl
I wonder why so many riders are still taking the risk with so many people getting caught.


for the money and eternal fame is my best guess


Bingo. They talked of this lots right after Pantani died. The way that cycling greats are treated in Europe in their respective countries is nothing like what it is in the US. In some cases it's greater than Michael Jordan to Chicago. They are idols, nearly gods. So for most of them, the only way to exist is to live fast and die hard. The glory of living and winning is all that matters, even if it means they have to die young.
 

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Is blood a performance enhancing drug? I think it's stupid. If he got injured and lost blood, what's wrong with getting a transfusion? Next thing they'll do is test for eating Power Bars.

 

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Professional athletes doping? I'm shocked. :rolleyes;

Elite athletes do whatever they can to get and stay on the top of their game. Always have, always will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
 
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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
I don't understand. What does getting a blood transfusion do in helping cyclists?
In simple terms:

It is done so as to not increase the amount of blood you have, but to increase the amount of red blood cells. By increasing your ability to transport oxygen, you become able to ride harder and longer.

How does this work? They get someone else's blood with the same blood type as you, and artificially pump it full of oxygen, then transfuse it into you? Would pumping blood out of you, oxygenating it, and pumping it back in work as well? (Dialysis)?

Homologous blood transfusion means that blood from a donor is inserted into the doper's bloodstream. They don't oxygenate the blood outside of the body, but when the doper receives the transfusion, he has more red blood cells, allowing him to carry more oxygen.

Autologous transfusions also exist, where the doper withdraws blood and then laters has a transfusion. In Operation Puerto, bags of Jan Ullrich's blood were found, almost certainly for autologous transfusions.
 

fierydemise

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The big news here is that the entire Astana team is out, that means Klöden too and he was sitting in 5th place overall