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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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tamz_msc

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Newegg pricing for Raptor Lake:

Intel going in aggressive, especially with the i7 and i5.
 

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Guys the AMD folks in the other thread are pretty feisty. I called the 12700K a great value all rounder CPU and people got defensive.

Anyway excited to see raptor lake this week
 

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Interesting. With AMD's price cut on the 7950X vs 5950X (launch, not current), it possibly forced Intel's hand with the 13900k.

I smell a price war coming even it's just initial launch from both side.

Raptor lake will dominate on all levels i3 to i7's 🏅

see the post at #2124 which leak i5-13400 GB5, Not only MT but also ST perf is worrisome.
 
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Comparing RPL and Zen 4 pricing:

7950X ($699) -> 13900K ($660)
7900X ($549) -> 13700K ($450)
7700X ($399) -> 13600K ($330)
7600X ($299) -> 13500? ($269?)

I think the top and bottom of the range, Intel is offering products at a smaller price, but I think the value will still be in AMD's corner (I'm obviously assuming performance, we'll see after actual reviews). The middle of the stack though, I think the 13700K and 13600K will offer better overall value than the 7900X and 7700X. The question in terms of market response will be in gaming performance, IMO. We've already seen that the 7600X keeps pretty close to a 12900K on average in gaming. If, say, the 13600K falls back a little bit, I think a good amount of people will go for the 7600X despite the significantly higher productivity performance of the 13600K.

Now, in this price range, I think the vast majority of people will be GPU limited anyway, but that usually doesn't seem to matter. People don't seem to think in those terms when they see the review benchmarks showing a difference between CPUs that they'd never see in real life with their mid-tier GPUs when they turn up the settings as high as they can and become GPU bottlenecked. Either way, it's nice that both companies now have competitive offerings. Hopefully the competition leads to lower prices sooner than later.
 

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Comparing RPL and Zen 4 pricing:

7950X ($699) -> 13900K ($660)
7900X ($549) -> 13700K ($450)
7700X ($399) -> 13600K ($330)
7600X ($299) -> 13500? ($269?)

I think the top and bottom of the range, Intel is offering products at a smaller price, but I think the value will still be in AMD's corner (I'm obviously assuming performance, we'll see after actual reviews). The middle of the stack though, I think the 13700K and 13600K will offer better overall value than the 7900X and 7700X. The question in terms of market response will be in gaming performance, IMO. We've already seen that the 7600X keeps pretty close to a 12900K on average in gaming. If, say, the 13600K falls back a little bit, I think a good amount of people will go for the 7600X despite the significantly higher productivity performance of the 13600K.

Now, in this price range, I think the vast majority of people will be GPU limited anyway, but that usually doesn't seem to matter. People don't seem to think in those terms when they see the review benchmarks showing a difference between CPUs that they'd never see in real life with their mid-tier GPUs when they turn up the settings as high as they can and become GPU bottlenecked. Either way, it's nice that both companies now have competitive offerings. Hopefully the competition leads to lower prices sooner than later.


Intel prices were set according to expected perfs, if they had say 10% better advantage on the top SKU they would had priced it something like 20% more than the competing offering.

Here they priced the 13900K according to an expected perf gap and on a linear fashion respectively to a 7950X.

Lower on the stack the 7900X should perform 10-15% better than a 13700K, that s why the latter is priced significantly below the AMD counterpart.

The 13600K is the only one that has no equivalent in AMD s portfolio, throughput wise it s equivalent to 10 P cores, but it s disadvantaged in gaming since it can boast only 6 strong threads comparatively to the 7700X s 8, here all depend of the main usage.

Intel will surely release a 4 + 8 configuration, that would be competitive throughput wise with a 7700X and even more with a 7600X, but once more it will be at a disadvantage in games.
 
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Isn't the full fat 8 P-cores + 16 E-cores die the only true RPL die? If so will it find a way into mobile? As what model? Everything else necessarily has to be rebranded ADL dies.

I imagine there will be HX using the 8+16 Raptor Cove die but I was also expecting the U/P 6+8 die to also be using it too. Guess not.
 

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Comparing RPL and Zen 4 pricing:

7950X ($699) -> 13900K ($660)
7900X ($549) -> 13700K ($450)
7700X ($399) -> 13600K ($330)
7600X ($299) -> 13500? ($269?)

I think the top and bottom of the range, Intel is offering products at a smaller price, but I think the value will still be in AMD's corner (I'm obviously assuming performance, we'll see after actual reviews). The middle of the stack though, I think the 13700K and 13600K will offer better overall value than the 7900X and 7700X. The question in terms of market response will be in gaming performance, IMO. We've already seen that the 7600X keeps pretty close to a 12900K on average in gaming. If, say, the 13600K falls back a little bit, I think a good amount of people will go for the 7600X despite the significantly higher productivity performance of the 13600K.

Now, in this price range, I think the vast majority of people will be GPU limited anyway, but that usually doesn't seem to matter. People don't seem to think in those terms when they see the review benchmarks showing a difference between CPUs that they'd never see in real life with their mid-tier GPUs when they turn up the settings as high as they can and become GPU bottlenecked. Either way, it's nice that both companies now have competitive offerings. Hopefully the competition leads to lower prices sooner than later.
AMD also has Alder Lake to contend with. It's not as clear-cut as a direct comparison at the corresponding price points between Zen 4 and 13th gen. The 12700K is now $399 and the 7700X cannot reliably beat it in gaming or productivity, despite costing the same.
 

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Comparing RPL and Zen 4 pricing:

7950X ($699) -> 13900K ($660)
7900X ($549) -> 13700K ($450)
7700X ($399) -> 13600K ($330)
7600X ($299) -> 13500? ($269?)

I think the top and bottom of the range, Intel is offering products at a smaller price, but I think the value will still be in AMD's corner (I'm obviously assuming performance, we'll see after actual reviews). The middle of the stack though, I think the 13700K and 13600K will offer better overall value than the 7900X and 7700X. The question in terms of market response will be in gaming performance, IMO. We've already seen that the 7600X keeps pretty close to a 12900K on average in gaming. If, say, the 13600K falls back a little bit, I think a good amount of people will go for the 7600X despite the significantly higher productivity performance of the 13600K.

Now, in this price range, I think the vast majority of people will be GPU limited anyway, but that usually doesn't seem to matter. People don't seem to think in those terms when they see the review benchmarks showing a difference between CPUs that they'd never see in real life with their mid-tier GPUs when they turn up the settings as high as they can and become GPU bottlenecked. Either way, it's nice that both companies now have competitive offerings. Hopefully the competition leads to lower prices sooner than later.

Raptor Lake must be cheeper, "even Intel now that+couple of other unimportant little things". :mask:

- Intel 1700 socket is dead, in future no more new CPU-s

- i9 terribly high power consumption(300W+)in a situation where the CPU is loaded 100%


An interesting table, we can forecast how much power i9 13900K will consume in gaming.


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The 7900X is shaping out to be a very Powerful CPU, beating the 12900K and 13700K in ST and MT performance


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That's why I said value and not performance for the 13700K.

AMD also has Alder Lake to contend with. It's not as clear-cut as a direct comparison at the corresponding price points between Zen 4 and 13th gen. The 12700K is now $399 and the 7700X cannot reliably beat it in gaming or productivity, despite costing the same.

Is it expected that Intel will keep producing Alder Lake SKUs that compete against Raptor Lake ones? I would find this a strange strategy.