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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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nicalandia

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Well that suddenly looks less impressive.


For the very first time in the last decade AMD will be releasing a Higher Rated Max Boost CPU than the current and upcoming Intel release CPUs.
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The link is not dead but was restored with the 12th generation info.

This is the link I saved on Wayback Machine
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eek2121

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Doubt it. We ran some tests with detox, 8 zen 3 cores vs 8 gc cores, the zen 3 cores lost in every wattage. His zen 3 was highly binned and tuned within an inch of its life, i was running my 12900k at default mobo settings 😂

I'm sorry, what? Anything below the 5950x is not a top bin. The 5800X uses more power for lower clocks. The only fair comparison would be 8 cores of a 5950X vs a 12900k with the 8 P-Cores, at equal power. No overclocking, no manual clocks, just simple power limits set to the same.

Anything outside of that will show you nothing about the efficiency of either chip.

EDIT: and in either scenario, you will want to test multithreaded applications, and total power consumption in each. That is why simply running the 12900k and 5950x at similar power limits (142W and below) will tell you far more about the efficiency of both chips.

All of this is meaningless, of course, because Rocket Lake was the competitor to Zen 3, not Alder Lake. Alder Lake launched well after Zen 3. Technically Zen 4 is the competitor to Alder Lake, however...oh boy.
 

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I'm sorry, what? Anything below the 5950x is not a top bin. The 5800X uses more power for lower clocks. The only fair comparison would be 8 cores of a 5950X vs a 12900k with the 8 P-Cores, at equal power. No overclocking, no manual clocks, just simple power limits set to the same.

Anything outside of that will show you nothing about the efficiency of either chip.

EDIT: and in either scenario, you will want to test multithreaded applications, and total power consumption in each. That is why simply running the 12900k and 5950x at similar power limits (142W and below) will tell you far more about the efficiency of both chips.

All of this is meaningless, of course, because Rocket Lake was the competitor to Zen 3, not Alder Lake. Alder Lake launched well after Zen 3. Technically Zen 4 is the competitor to Alder Lake, however...oh boy.
AL was not a competitor to Zen 3? Are you serious?? They were literally on sale side by side for months. If that is not "competition" I dont know what is. Actually, until 7xxx and 13xxx are actually available for purchase, they are still competitors.
 

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Because AMD did not need anything better to compete. They have literally been sitting on the same CPU for close to 2 years. Intel has launched NUMEROUS new products during that time frame. Ask yourself why.
RKL lasted 6 months! ADL has been competing with Zen 3 for almost twice as many months. Everyone knows RKL was a stop-gap release who's successor was announced even before it was launched.

What was AMD sitting on? They had nothing to fight ADL with. Stop trying to put a spin on this. RKL should've never even been released except for Intel's 10nm issues, and a suitable 10nm SKL successor should've been released even before Zen 3 if 10nm hadn't been so problematic.

Even though Intel should've been on 7nm by now, thankfully, they're still able to remain competitive with RPL, thanks to a very mature 10nm process.
 

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Just been posted by Intel..


And just in case they take it down.

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What...... after all it is 100Mhz lower than 12900KS??? Very interesting to see what mode would be used in review. If it's only normal turbo and no TVB or TBM being used it's just 5.4Ghz....
 

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What...... after all it is 100Mhz lower than 12900KS??? Very interesting to see what mode would be used in review. If it's only normal turbo and no TVB or TBM being used it's just 5.4Ghz....
He is misleading you with those figures. P-Core Max frequency is 5.2 GHz for the 12900KS. So the 13900K is having a P-Core Max frequency that is 0.2 GHz higher than the 12900KS.
 

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Elite efficiency of golden cove cores .. golden cove would be even better on intel 4 😃
If indeed ADL is able to overcome a 500 Mhz deficit in CB R23 single core test, there'll be no contest, core for core, between RPL and Zen 4. Even the 13600k with its reported 5.1 GHz should have no trouble beating the mid-range 7700x and maybe, even the 7900x single score in this particular benchmark.

Geekbench without crypto scores should also be interesting, and there are scattered posts on Reddit and elsewhere where some users are struggling to buy the 2205 single core AMD's slide shows the 7600x to attain. Interesting times ahead. Not too long now, thankfully.
 
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He is misleading you with those figures. P-Core Max frequency is 5.2 GHz for the 12900KS. So the 13900K is having a P-Core Max frequency that is 0.2 GHz higher than the 12900KS.
THX, looks like the 12900KS benched in various clocks and not 5.5Ghz all the time....I was misleaded by Intel.
If this rule still kicks in the 13900k would be benched <5.7Ghz......
 

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If indeed ADL is able to overcome a 500 Mhz deficit in CB R23 single core test, there'll be no contest, core for core, between RPL and Zen 4. Even the 13600k with its reported 5.1 GHz should have no trouble beating the mid-range 7700x and maybe, even the 7900x single score in this particular benchmark.

Geekbench without crypto scores should also be interesting, and there are scattered posts on Reddit and elsewhere where some users are struggling to buy the 2205 single core AMD's slide shows the 7600x to attain. Interesting times ahead. Not too long now, thankfully.
True.. raptor lake i3 and i5's will sell the most and bring most value in the matket
 

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This is how intel can hit over 6ghz on intel 7 aka 10nm.. higher drive current faster electrons with a higher control superfin in the gate 🙂
 

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Just been posted by Intel..


And just in case they take it down.

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That's the max clock all P cores can achieve at stock. The 5.7GHz previously rumoured is for a single core (Turbo Boost 3.0) and the 5.8GHz is with a stage of Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) on top.

It's as expected overall.
 
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So, apparently late batch SP 100+ 12900KSs are already hitting 6GHz? That bodes well for the 6GHz out of the box claim reported by @Ian Cutress.

Just a word of caution, watch out so the hype train dont hit you in the rear when trying to hit these frequencies in anything but very spesial cases under perfect conditions :p

The best binned Alder Lake dies in the world can barely hit ~6.2hz on 1 core with HT disable in a "idle workload"..
(without extreme cooling)

 
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AL was not a competitor to Zen 3? Are you serious??

Vermeer had about a year of sales on the open market before Alder Lake hit the streets. Nov 2020 -> Nov 2021. It was an aging CPU by Nov 2021 that easily could have seen its sales drop off after Intel had a chance to release something to counter it; regretably, they couldn't reprise the 9900k and so the 5950X enjoyed another ~10 months of relatively solid sales performance. In fact, all the Vermeer SKUs have remained fairly popular. Quite an embarrassment for Intel.
 

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Vermeer had about a year of sales on the open market before Alder Lake hit the streets. Nov 2020 -> Nov 2021. It was an aging CPU by Nov 2021 that easily could have seen its sales drop off after Intel had a chance to release something to counter it; regretably, they couldn't reprise the 9900k and so the 5950X enjoyed another ~10 months of relatively solid sales performance. In fact, all the Vermeer SKUs have remained fairly popular. Quite an embarrassment for Intel.

That is still too mildly written, or you cant fight vs five years old AM4 socket.

DIY CPU sales numbers, German Mindfactory as usual considering that they are the only ones offering precise sales figures.

Red, iz year 2022 it is extremely absurd that only Mindfactory has such "crazy business practice". :grinning:


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That's the max clock all P cores can achieve at stock. The 5.7GHz previously rumoured is for a single core (Turbo Boost 3.0) and the 5.8GHz is with a stage of Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) on top.
There is a reason Intel doesn't claim 5.8 Ghz Max Boost you know right? If they did they would be in alot of trouble when reviewers get their hands on them...As AMD Did with the rated boost claims on the 3950X.

So lets get this out of the way.

7950X Max Rated boost 5.7 Ghz
13900KS Max Rated Boost 5.6 Ghz
13900K Max Rated Boost 5.4 Ghz.

People with very good cooling will enjoy faster speeds of course.