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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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tamz_msc

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And yet, by definition, a CPU operating above base clocks is boosting, therefore not throttling.

PS: I do think though that we have started to use the term throttle much more loosely lately, so I have no formed opinion on the matter.
Intel, at least, defines throttling as the CPU reducing clocks when hitting Tjmax.


In hindsight, I was wrong when I said that the 7950X would throttle running p95 small fft with AVX-512 enabled at 230 W PPT. It will be power-limited, but given the amount of heat that workload produces, I wouldn't be surprised if it throttles as well.
 
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So what? The CPU is running at default frequencies as per Raichu.
Let's make a few things clear here.

1. It's a Non-Release Sample of Raptor Lake(ES/QS)
2. It's using High Speed DDR5 RAM
3. Let see what it does on Release date with default JEDEC profile RAM to call it a world record on INT Performance


But seen how the non-K 13900 QS samples have performed INT wise, I can see stock 13900K getting very close or matching the 2,000 INT ST Score

 
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tamz_msc

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Let's make a few things clear here.

1. It's a Non-Release Sample of Raptor Lake(ES/QS)
2. It's using High Speed DDR5 RAM
3. Let see what it does on Release date with default JEDEC profile RAM to call it a world record on INT Performance


But seen how the non-K 13900 QS samples have performed INT wise, I can see stock 13900K getting very close or matching the 2,000 INT ST Score

Nobody cares about JEDEC speeds. Only OEM PCs will be running JEDEC RAM and timings. Besides officially Raptor Lake supports higher frequency memory than the competition, so it'll be faster anyway with JEDEC timings.
 

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You had no such issues with AMD of all entities testing their unreleased chips at DDR5 6000 Mhz, the "sweet spot" for Zen4 by their own admission, instead of DDR5 5200 Mhz which Zen4 is going to run at at stock.

Zen 4 used 6000 in the tests and has the IMC overclocked by 14.5%, but the tested 12900K was also granted the same frequency wich amount to 25% overclocking.

That being said competent reviewers will use stock settings for everything, including RAM of course since the IMC speed is manufacturers guaranted only on thoses conditions.
 

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That might be the first time a CPU breaks 2000 int score at stock. Mighty impressive.
Stock 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 with a kit which has a price tag of over $350. Can't wait for people to look at the 13400 non-K's performance in a $700 mobo and calling it stock.

But a boy's gotta say anything and everything for the brand, right? 😉
 
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tamz_msc

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Stock 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 with a kit which has a price tag of over $350. Can't wait for people to look at the 13400 non-K's performance in a $700 mobo and calling it stock.

But a boy's gotta say anything and everything for the brand, right? 😉
I see that you have nothing to contribute except asinine comments, as usual.
 

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Nobody cares about JEDEC speeds. Only OEM PCs will be running JEDEC RAM and timings. Besides officially Raptor Lake supports higher frequency memory than the competition, so it'll be faster anyway with JEDEC timings.
I also care.

I used to xmp everything, but I tend toward JEDEC these days for computers I am not personally using.

Xmp tends to have more issues as the years go by.

Fixed more then one by reducing the ram timings.
 
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Any news on SPR W7/W9 having PCI Gen 5 M2 Compatibility?
I can't imagine why it wouldn't. There's plenty of PCIe lanes to use. Probably will be a few Raptor Lake boards that bifurcate the main x16 lanes to feed M.2 slot(s) as well, and that should be a decent solution for now, but might get dicey with the highest end next or next-next gen GPUs.
 

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Will PCI Gen 5 make a difference?

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As someone that will likely do a full platform upgrade by the end of the year with either Zen 4 or Raptor Lake, it won't be a big factor. Pcie 4.0 is plenty fast enough for end users like me, especially the second generation Pcie 4.0 nvme drives like the Samsung 990 pro, which I will probably end up buying in the 2 TB variety.

I can see Pcie 5.0 x4 SSDs being a benefit to prosumers doing workstation like applications that involve heavy amounts of reads and writes to and from storage however.

But for gaming, which is the most system intensive application for consumers by far, it won't make much of a difference. The SSDs in the PS5 and XSX both use Pcie 4.0 so games won't be exceeding that limitation for a long time.

As for Direct Storage, by all indications it already flies on Pcie 4 drives. A Pcie 5 drive won't reduce loading much further due to diminishing returns.