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Hulk

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Since we already have the first Raptor Lake leak I'm thinking it should have it's own thread.
What do we know so far?
From Anandtech's Intel Process Roadmap articles from July:

Built on Intel 7 with upgraded FinFET
10-15% PPW (performance-per-watt)
Last non-tiled consumer CPU as Meteor Lake will be tiled

I'm guessing this will be a minor update to ADL with just a few microarchitecture changes to the cores. The larger change will be the new process refinement allowing 8+16 at the top of the stack.

Will it work with current z690 motherboards? If yes then that could be a major selling point for people to move to ADL rather than wait.
 
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Rigg

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This link is BS, for one the 5950X does 26196 pts at stock while your link say 24643, the 5900X is not listed but does 22046 pts

The 12900K@125W score is not heavily outperforming the 5900X, according to Computerbase the difference is about 10%..



This is kind of hilarious. The site really screams objectivity. :rolleyes:
 
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nicalandia

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Has anyone beside this dude been able to post gaming benchmarks for the 13900K?

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That CS-GO game which seems to be a tie between the High End Gaming CPU(5800XD, 12900K/KS) seems to like Zen4 more than any other uArch.
 

mikk

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That CS-GO game which seems to be a tie between the High End Gaming CPU(5800XD, 12900K/KS) seems to like Zen4 more than any other uArch.

This test isn't really meaningful. Pre final motherboards with pre final bios might have suboptimal memory performance which hinders gaming performance. And something is clearly off there considering 13900K clocks 600 Mhz higher.
 

nicalandia

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This test isn't really meaningful. Pre final motherboards with pre final bios might have suboptimal memory performance which hinders gaming performance. And something is clearly off there considering 13900K clocks 600 Mhz higher.
That is why I was asking if we had any more gaming leaks.

Also...The 13900K will boost to 6.1 Ghz?(It's 5.5 Ghz on that test)
 

Rigg

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So what are the chances I'll be able to swap my 12700K for a 13900K in my rig below?
It's hard to say until we know 100% what the final power limits are. The VRM on that motherboard might struggle in heavy loads. It's going to be hard on that fan-less PSU in that scenario as well. At the very least , the PSU probably won't be running in it's sweet spot for efficiency.
 

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That CS-GO game which seems to be a tie between the High End Gaming CPU(5800XD, 12900K/KS) seems to like Zen4 more than any other uArch.
CS:GO is faster on Alder Lake. It doesn't benefit from V-cache at all.
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5.5 Ghz 13900K vs 4.9 Ghz 12900K. +600 Mhz
AL - Gracemont = 1c - 4c = 3.9GHz (all 8c 3.7GHz) => RL - "Raptormont" all 8c 4.3GHz + 600MHz and + 2MB L2 cache to quadcore cluster.

The name Raptormont does not exist, it is of course Gracemont, but with the +600MHz and +2MB L2 cache per quadcore cluster, I like the name better.
 
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I'm fairly confident 13600k and 13700k will wipe the floor with the 7600x and the 7700x. Unless you don't count those as raptor lake.

They ll wipe nothing, 13700K is second in Intel s list, it will have to face a 7900X that should be 35-45% faster than a 5900X...

Only one that has some chance is the 13600K because its 8 + 4 configuration has no direct equivalent within AMD s portfolio, all other SKUS are in for a rude battle.
 
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Who cares who wipes who? Both won't be horrible. Only Zen 4 will have AVX-512 and RPL may leverage DDR5-7000+ for bandwidth intensive applications. But Zen 4 is an MT beast so it should be fun to see if there is any MT benchmark where Zen 4 concedes to RPL due to DDR5-7000+.
 

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Another Intel Core i9-13900K “Raptor Lake” CPU gets tested ahead of October launch
The CPU was tested on MSI Z690 GODLIKE motherboards and compared with Core i9-12900K CPU. The system was equipped with Colorful Gamer RGB DDR5-4800 and GeForce RTX 3090 GPU. EJ used Phanteks Glacier One 360 MP solution featuring Asetek AIO cooler. Their mini-review is focusing on comparison between 16-core i9-12900K Alder Lake and 24-core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPUs.
In Prime95, Raptor Lake running all cores at 5.2 GHz saturates at 378W and 85°C. Judging from the video, this appears to be the Maximum Turbo Boost limit set to 440W.
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The sample was then tested in most popular CPU test: CPU-Z and Cinebench. Intel 13th Gen CPU is a clear winner here in all tests. The performance appears to match what was already shared.
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This sample is clearly not optimized for gaming, though. The performance is all over the price for some titles tested at 1080p resolution. In some cases, Raptor Lake is indeed faster, but there are instances where it is totally opposite. In fact, even with the Performance unlocked to 5.5 GHz, the CPU ends up slower than 5.2 GHz.

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Numbers pretty much as expected, but it seems like even an elevated powerlimit wont be enough to save raptor lake against zen4 this time..

Brute force, there are no other options or metal to the pedal of power :mask:

 
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coercitiv

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I think Intel and AMD may end up pricing their products in a way that makes direct comparisons difficult. More exactly I'm considering the following scenario:
  • 7600X $300
  • 13600K $300-350
  • 7700X $400
  • 13700K $450-500
  • 7900X $550
  • 13900K $600-650
  • 7950X $700
No need to linger on exact Intel pricing, rather just look at how much wiggle room they have. Unless Intel is willing to go into a price war from day 1, there's a considerable chance that each company will focus on their product strengths and try out the waters first, see if the fish takes the bait. There's plenty of time for price corrections before the holiday season, and there's clearly an adjustment coming early 2023. (locked Raptor parts & V-cache Ryzen will definitely stir up the waters).

Even on this forum I expect we'll be talking past each other a lot, those with honest discourse included :p